AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019]

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    And products before that, yes.
    Also dayum, that HC'31 lineup!
     
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    wow almost as if Lisa said that, what, three times already?
     
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    The relevant part here is that Radeon VII is the high end option for AMD for the remainder of 2019, Navi is going to be a mainstream solution only.


    https://videocardz.com/80709/amd-confirms-radeon-navi-and-3rd-gen-ryzen-available-in-q3-2019
     
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    That was mentioned by Lisa Su at least twice, too. Already in April ("It is 7nm Navi, but it will be positioned below... our Radeon VII is positioned today")
     
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    I can't believe ROCm is almost relevant now.
    Well, they gotta push ROCm somehow before 2021, so here it is, cheapo $700 development board.
    She said price, let's not live the key pard out.
    Although I wonder, how high would they price ~230mm^2 of N7 FinFETs.
    These aren't really cheap.
     
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    Did you believe it would be priced below their current high end and outperform it?
     
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    That's what they need to win the market, so yes.
    But no.
    Either way R7 will live because they need that cheapo ROCm development board.
     
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    Maybe not outperform it outright, but it might offer roughly similar gaming performance, with significantly lower compute performance, especially in FP64 or bandwidth-intensive workloads.
     
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    You mean like we saw with the Vega 64 coming after the Vega FE? GTX 980 faster than Titan Black? GTX 1080 faster than Titan X (Maxwell)?

    Pretty much every single N gen high-end card being faster and cheaper than N-1 gen top-end card from the same IHV?


    I don't think this will be the case with 2019 Navi because I think Lisa Su already said Radeon VII would be AMD's higher-end offering for 2019.
    But if AMD had a high-end Navi without high DP throughput, using e.g. 384bit GDDR6 or 3 HBM2 stacks, architectural improvements and higher 7nm optimization, then it would probably cost less than the Radeon VII.
     
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    Navi is supposed to be their mid-range product aiming for the mainstream while Radeon VII is high-end for now.
     
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    Vega was just 16nm until it wasn’t. Architectures aren’t inherently tied to a node.
     
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    The dies are.
    And nothing Zen2 or Navi is EUV.
     
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    First Navi card spotted



    EDIT:

     
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    Yeah the Manhattan score are weird...

    [​IMG]
     
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    It is a sample. The guy was just teasing this spec looks like a sample in January

     
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    I know i know, I'm just saying than Manhattan is not a very good indication about performances, since we only have vsync (on screen) performances for the navi sample.
     
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