AMD: Navi Speculation, Rumours and Discussion [2019-2020]

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Bondrewd said:
wow almost as if Lisa said that, what, three times already?
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The relevant part here is that Radeon VII is the high end option for AMD for the remainder of 2019, Navi is going to be a mainstream solution only.


In gaming, we successfully returned to the high-end market with the launch of our Radeon™ VII GPU in February 2019 and we are on track to introduce our next-generation “Navi” GPUs for the mainstream market later this year.
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https://videocardz.com/80709/amd-confirms-radeon-navi-and-3rd-gen-ryzen-available-in-q3-2019
 
DavidGraham said:
The relevant part here is that Radeon VII is the high end option for AMD for the remainder of 2019, Navi is going to be a mainstream solution only.
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That was mentioned by Lisa Su at least twice, too. Already in April ("It is 7nm Navi, but it will be positioned below... our Radeon VII is positioned today")
 
I can't believe ROCm is almost relevant now.
DavidGraham said:
The relevant part here is that Radeon VII is the high end option for AMD for the remainder of 2019
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Well, they gotta push ROCm somehow before 2021, so here it is, cheapo $700 development board.
no-X said:
That was mentioned by Lisa Su at least twice, too. Already in April ("It is 7nm Navi, but it will be positioned below... our Radeon VII is positioned today")
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She said price, let's not live the key pard out.
Although I wonder, how high would they price ~230mm^2 of N7 FinFETs.
These aren't really cheap.
 
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AlphaWolf said:
Did you believe it would be priced below their current high end and outperform it?
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Maybe not outperform it outright, but it might offer roughly similar gaming performance, with significantly lower compute performance, especially in FP64 or bandwidth-intensive workloads.
 
AlphaWolf said:
Did you believe it would be priced below their current high end and outperform it?
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You mean like we saw with the Vega 64 coming after the Vega FE? GTX 980 faster than Titan Black? GTX 1080 faster than Titan X (Maxwell)?

Pretty much every single N gen high-end card being faster and cheaper than N-1 gen top-end card from the same IHV?


I don't think this will be the case with 2019 Navi because I think Lisa Su already said Radeon VII would be AMD's higher-end offering for 2019.
But if AMD had a high-end Navi without high DP throughput, using e.g. 384bit GDDR6 or 3 HBM2 stacks, architectural improvements and higher 7nm optimization, then it would probably cost less than the Radeon VII.
 
Yeah the Manhattan score are weird...

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I know i know, I'm just saying than Manhattan is not a very good indication about performances, since we only have vsync (on screen) performances for the navi sample.
 
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