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[-tkf-]

Don't forget Alpha that many times the bluray /dvd/dd combo is cheaper than the stand alone dvd option

Sometimes its just $5 or so more.

Alice in wonderland came out last week and was $22 on bluray. Disney had a $10 coupon for it so it was just $12 and it came with a dvd and DD the last time it was released on dvd was last year and it was from an older clean up of the film.

The first week of next month they are releasing bambi on bluray with the same coupon . Bestbuy will have it for $22 while the dvd is $18 . With the coupon that only works on bluray its cheaper than the dvd and comes with the dvd and bluray.

Its not hard to see why people will choose the bluray over the dvd version. Even if you discount the bluray as an extra for many who have dvd players and pcs or portable devices the DD makes a very valid add in as it can be viewed on many devices. So for those even without bluray discs the $5 or $8 more over the dvd edition it would still be worth more for some than the dvd.

They are adding in value to the bluray disc because the bluray verison wont sell as well without it.

In the case of AVATAR the Blu-Ray + DVD combo was not cheaper than the standalone DVD. And it did not have a DD option.

Blu-Ray is a successful format, why not accept it, there is nothing about it that will make your life bad just because it´s a successful format.

 

[eastmen]

In the case of AVATAR the Blu-Ray + DVD combo was not cheaper than the standalone DVD. And it did not have a DD option.

Blu-Ray is a successful format, why not accept it, there is nothing about it that will make your life bad just because it´s a successful format.

and yet alot of movies still require a dvd thrown into the package to sell which is considered a $15 value on a $20 product . Sometimes it requires a DD code thrown in which is a $10-$20 value and sometimes it requires both.

Inception is a large movie is it not ? It was very popular and lends itself well to high def formats. But they still needed to pack more into it. The same goes with batman the dark night returns , iron man and many other movies.


I can tell you exactly why disney throws in tree verisons and its simple. Its because parents will buy the dvd verison over the bluray verison any day of the week and many will even buy the DD verison. Their kids wnat to watch these movies and they aren't about to upgrade to bluray in secondary rooms and in the car and on the go. Its easier to just keep using dvds as kids don't care about image quality .

I should know because i deal with my sister asking why i'm allways buying the bluray verisons of these movies cause my nephew and niece can't watch them anywhere. I had to explain that the bluray can be kept here and she can take the dvd and we can both keep the DD verison on our phones and pcs

 

[-tkf-]

and yet alot of movies still require a dvd thrown into the package to sell which is considered a $15 value on a $20 product . Sometimes it requires a DD code thrown in which is a $10-$20 value and sometimes it requires both.

Inception is a large movie is it not ? It was very popular and lends itself well to high def formats. But they still needed to pack more into it. The same goes with batman the dark night returns , iron man and many other movies.


I can tell you exactly why disney throws in tree verisons and its simple. Its because parents will buy the dvd verison over the bluray verison any day of the week and many will even buy the DD verison. Their kids wnat to watch these movies and they aren't about to upgrade to bluray in secondary rooms and in the car and on the go. Its easier to just keep using dvds as kids don't care about image quality .

I should know because i deal with my sister asking why i'm allways buying the bluray verisons of these movies cause my nephew and niece can't watch them anywhere. I had to explain that the bluray can be kept here and she can take the dvd and we can both keep the DD verison on our phones and pcs

They don´t need to pack anything special in the Blu-Ray offers to convince me, i usually buy the pure Blu-Ray option or the silly expensive collectors edition. Yes it´s only when i am buying something for the kids i need the DVD as well, and would pay more for it, and Blu-Ray player for the car? "sure"

They still make more money doing that, than not doing it.

And this is really an incredible stupid discussion. First of all, why would ANYONE give a damn about how bad Blu-Ray is doing in here? To try to make a case that is shouldn´t be a part of the next gen consoles?

The alternative would be DD or DVD or HD-DVD (snicker). None of those support the only defacto HiDef format that can be bought anywhere in the world.

Trying to pick apart Blu-Ray sales because the include DD and DVD copies is like trying to separate piss from a bucket of water. It´s useless and bares no use for this discussion. If there is millions of Blu-Ray moves being sold, only the tiniest part is bought by people that throw the Blu-Ray disc away. That still leaves millions of potential users for a Blu-Ray capable console, ready to enjoy the format.

 

[eastmen]

The point was made that it be suicide not to have bluray in a next gen console due to how popular it was and it was the only high def format.

The fact of the matter is that DD is a compelling format for high def and a next gen doesn't need bluray for movies.

 

[specwarGP2]

netflix has more titles than blu-ray, yes or no? If all people wanted to do was watch movies that were newly released, they'd just rent right? because after you've seen it, its not new anymore. At no time have I ever seen a movie and thought, wow thank god that movie was in HD or it would have sucked. Higher quality is nice, but it won't make a bad movie good.

And TV shows are content.

Why do you keep mentioning that netflix has more titles than BD? Who cares if netflix has more titles if they are all older junk that no one really cares to watch in the first place?

It's relevant if not specifically to avatar.

Again, you questioned Avatar's BD sales. Stick to that. Dont bring up other titles because they are not relevant to Avatar.

2 discs for a few $ more probably seems like a better value to some people as well. Hell maybe even some of them buy just for the lower profile packaging. I know the DVD isn't in the box out of generosity, perhaps the movie companies can answer your question.

People paid extra to get the Avatar BD so they could have an extra disc they know they can never use. Or better yet, they paid extra for the Avatar BD because they wanted a smaller case which looks out of place next to their regular sized DVD cases. Right

As for why the DVD is in the box? I don't care. Not once did I ask why its in the box with the BD.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Why do you keep mentioning that netflix has more titles than BD? Who cares if netflix has more titles if they are all older junk that no one really cares to watch in the first place?

If you're going to butt in on a conversation at least have the damn courtesy to follow the whole fucking thing. If you want to know what I'm talking about, try actually reading the thread. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Again, you questioned Avatar's BD sales. Stick to that. Dont bring up other titles because they are not relevant to Avatar.

This isn't a thread about Avatar, if you want to start one, go ahead. I'll comment on things in this thread relevant to the topic. The conversation is that blu-ray is somehow essential to next generation consoles and there's no way that DD can fill the need for HD content. I don't think anyone is trying to make the argument that Avatar is essential for a next gen console.

People paid extra to get the Avatar BD so they could have an extra disc they know they can never use. Or better yet, they paid extra for the Avatar BD because they wanted a smaller case which looks out of place next to their regular sized DVD cases. Right

As for why the DVD is in the box? I don't care. Not once did I ask why its in the box with the BD.

Yep, the movie companies just had a bunch of them lying around so they thought they would throw them in the box. /sarcasm

 

[acaeus]

Yep, the movie companies just had a bunch of them lying around so they thought they would throw them in the box. /sarcasm

This, that people buy a more expensive BD copy to get a free/included DVD one, has got to be the most absurd argument ever made around here.

 

[eastmen]

This, that people buy a more expensive BD copy to get a free/included DVD one, has got to be the most absurd argument ever made around here.

Why are DVD's included then. Why are DD codecs included ? There has to be some reason why they are added these things to the bluray box and its not because the movie studios are nice guys.


The fact is that DvD's sell for $15-$25 , DD will sell from $10-$20 depending on quality and what service your on. Blurays by themselves sometimes sell for $20-$25.

Yet some of the biggest titles of the year like inception and iron man 2 all have the bluray bundled with both dvd and dd . One of the biggest movie studios Disney has to include the dvd and dd codes for all their classic animation.

What is the reason for this if its not because it makes it easier to cell the bluray verisons ?

 

[acaeus]

Why are DVD's included then. Why are DD codecs included ? There has to be some reason why they are added these things to the bluray box and its not because the movie studios are nice guys.

That's the wrong question concerning BD. It's included because it's cheap enough to do so. Of course it adds value! ppl still have DVD players around, even the ones who have--happily so--moved on to blu-ray.

The fact is that DvD's sell for $15-$25 , DD will sell from $10-$20 depending on quality and what service your on. Blurays by themselves sometimes sell for $20-$25.

Yet some of the biggest titles of the year like inception and iron man 2 all have the bluray bundled with both dvd and dd . One of the biggest movie studios Disney has to include the dvd and dd codes for all their classic animation.

What is the reason for this if its not because it makes it easier to cell the bluray verisons ?

The fact is people can buy either the DVD or the blu-ray copy, because both are available everywhere. The DVD copy is invariably much cheaper than the blu-ray copy, regardless of what else they may include; for new releases the difference between the two can be as high as $10 at costco for example.

Is it so hard to admit that whoever pays more for a blu-ray copy really wanted the blu-ray copy to begin with?!

 

[-tkf-]

The point was made that it be suicide not to have bluray in a next gen console due to how popular it was and it was the only high def format.

The fact of the matter is that DD is a compelling format for high def and a next gen doesn't need bluray for movies.

Correct your post about the suicide part and we can carry on with the discussion or we stop right here with a post that should be nuked for being a blatant lie.

 

[-tkf-]

This, that people buy a more expensive BD copy to get a free/included DVD one, has got to be the most absurd argument ever made around here.

You forgot the part about millions that bought Blu-Ray versions for the DD version as well. Which avatar clearly proved to be wrong.

 

[specwarGP2]

If you're going to butt in on a conversation at least have the damn courtesy to follow the whole fucking thing. If you want to know what I'm talking about, try actually reading the thread. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Anyone is free to comment in this thread. And I've read the thread and it appears that you have this habit of quoting things but not actually replying to things that you quote.

This isn't a thread about Avatar, if you want to start one, go ahead. I'll comment on things in this thread relevant to the topic.

Once again. You're the one that questioned Avatar's sales. If you didnt want to start that tangent, YOU shouldnt have brought it up in the first place.

Yep, the movie companies just had a bunch of them lying around so they thought they would throw them in the box. /sarcasm

It's called adding value. Studios include a 10 cent disc in the box to help people transition from one format to the other since BD players are not ubiquitous like DVD. This isnt rocket science to figure out.

 

[eastmen]

Correct your post about the suicide part and we can carry on with the discussion or we stop right here with a post that should be nuked for being a blatant lie.

My post is correct , go back and read others posts on the subject

You forgot the part about millions that bought Blu-Ray versions for the DD version as well. Which avatar clearly proved to be wrong.

Avatar is 1 movie , dozens of others required DD and/or DVD added into the box to sell.


Look at the top 10 grossing 2010 movies

1) Toy Story 3 , Bluray + DVD + DD bundle
2) Alice in Wonderland Bluray only
3) Iron Man 2 Bluray + DVD + DD
4) Twilight Eclipse Bluray + DVD
5)Harry Potter Deathly hallows Bluray + DVD + DD
6) Inception Bluray + DD
7) Dispicable Me Bluray + DD + DVD
8) Shrek Forever After Bluray + DVD
0How to train your dragon Bluray + DVD
10) Tangled Bluray + DVD or 3D bluray/Bluray /DVD / Digital copy


Out of the top 10 grossing movies of 2010 only 1 is/was released in a bluray only package.

Avatar by itself shows nothing


Oh and btw Avatar did come out on Bluray + dvd

http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Two-Di...ef=sr_1_4?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1297612177&sr=1-4

 

[eastmen]

That's the wrong question concerning BD. It's included because it's cheap enough to do so. Of course it adds value! ppl still have DVD players around, even the ones who have--happily so--moved on to blu-ray.

Why if the discs were seperated then people would have to buy both.

The fact is people can buy either the DVD or the blu-ray copy, because both are available everywhere. The DVD copy is invariably much cheaper than the blu-ray copy, regardless of what else they may include; for new releases the difference between the two can be as high as $10 at costco for example.

No its not , First off every single Disney classic animation bluray i have bought is cheaper than the dvd verison and is released 2-3 months before the dvd verison. Not to mention that the bluray verison comes with the dvd and DD verisons

not only that but many times the bluray + dvd + dd is a few dollars more than the dvd and in my experiance buying at bestbuy it is allways within $5 of each other.

Is it so hard to admit that whoever pays more for a blu-ray copy really wanted the blu-ray copy to begin with?!

Is it hard to admit that studios are adding dvd's and DD to blurays because they need extra value to sell them over the DVD alone and higher image quality is not enough of a value to do so alone .

 

[corduroygt]

Is it hard to admit that studios are adding dvd's and DD to blurays because they need extra value to sell them over the DVD alone and higher image quality is not enough of a value to do so alone .

This is true, however the extra value is needed over DVD, not DD, because people simply aren't too interested in purchasing digital movies.

 

[eastmen]

This is true, however the extra value is needed over DVD, not DD, because people simply aren't too interested in purchasing digital movies.

You should admend that to say people aren't too interested in puchasing digital movies that cost the same or more than the bluray/dvd/dd combo package.

Because that is a large problem right now with DD

 

[zed]

No its not , First off every single Disney classic animation bluray i have bought is cheaper than the dvd verison and is released 2-3 months before the dvd verison. Not to mention that the bluray verison comes with the dvd and DD verisons

not only that but many times the bluray + dvd + dd is a few dollars more than the dvd and in my experiance buying at bestbuy it is allways within $5 of each other.

scratches head

 

[corduroygt]

You should admend that to say people aren't too interested in puchasing digital movies that cost the same or more than the bluray/dvd/dd combo package.

Because that is a large problem right now with DD

People have no problem renting movies for 5.99/6.99 from their cable boxes vs. $1.50 from redbox or through a netflix membership. DD is good for cheap throwaway rental content, not for movies that people like to own.

 

[AlphaWolf]

You should admend that to say people aren't too interested in puchasing digital movies that cost the same or more than the bluray/dvd/dd combo package.

Because that is a large problem right now with DD

ya buying the DD makes little sense when you can get the blu-ray and the DD for the same price. (even if the box doesn't include a DD, you can always rip it yourself)

 

[eastmen]

People have no problem renting movies for 5.99/6.99 from their cable boxes vs. $1.50 from redbox or through a netflix membership. DD is good for cheap throwaway rental content, not for movies that people like to own.

I disagree with you completely.

$20 for a HD DD on itunes is pricing the content out of the market when bluray/dvd/dd is priced the same.

Once HD DD gets down to $10 for the movie sales will start to greatly increase