aaronspink
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Fail. Fail. Fail. I have on more than one occasion bought a BR solely because the bundled DD copy was cheaper that way then getting the DD copy that way as CHEAPER than buying it standalone(GO GO Amazon sales).
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Fail. Fail. Fail. I have on more than one occasion bought a BR solely because the bundled DD copy was cheaper that way then getting the DD copy that way as CHEAPER than buying it standalone(GO GO Amazon sales).
aaronspink
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And those that can afford a console have internet first.
corduroygt
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You are a corner case, and do not represent the general public who bought 1.8 Billion dollars worth of blu-rays in 2010. I'm sure that DD copy had very good PQ/AQ
I have a few blu-rays with digital copies, never even took the digital copy disc out of the case, but that's anecdotal just like your example.The only way people want digital movies is cheap rentals or free. There are probably 100x the amount of movies pirated via DD compared to how many are actually sold via DD.
corduroygt
Banned
But then how do you prevent situations like Mass Effect 2, where the disc was $36 from amazon vs. $60 on PSN? No one with a sound mind bought the PSN version in that case.
I think that's a weird case because the game was already very old by the time it came out on ps3 so maybe amazon just used it as a loss leader at that point. For brand new games though I doubt amazon would start them at $36. I mean nothing really stops them from doing that, but seems like it would be unlikely.
Still though, cost disparity already exists between dd and optical versions. For example pc games on steam are actually expensive compared to what they can be bought for elsewhere (except during crazy steam holiday sales). That doesn't stop the console makers from going both dd+optical next gen and just letting people choose which version they want to buy. It would make a great litmus test as well to see what peoples tolerance is for dd without jumping blindly into it with dd only.
corduroygt
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Actually, there were a few cases of that, LBP2 was also the same price as ME2, and so was Fifa 11 and NFS HP2. I believe Sony cannot discount the PSN versions due to agreements with retailers.
16GB would be more than double the 6.7GB that the 360 has avalible to it. I'm thinking games will be 16GB at the start of the generation and slowly creep to 32GB and we might see a few 64GB games and we will still see games in the hundreds of meg size too
The problem with digital downloads right now is that they are still trying to sell the same thing in retail. That is why e-books are so expensive they should be cheaper than the paper verisons since they are just a few dozen MBs at the most yet we see them having to match retail prices other wise the retailers will revolt .
The real question is how many games will the average consumer buy a month . Those hardcore gamers are the ones that are already on steam or already have fast connections but how about all the others who don't buy multiple games a month. How about those who take months to play a game. A streaming download while playing would reduce bandwidth costs.
How do you know that ? I started buying disney blurays before i had a ps3 because i got the dvd and dd.
I have a single bluray player . So buying bluray locks me into bluray. If i buy DD on zune market place I can play it on my computer , my zune , my laptop and when i'm able to get a windows mobile phone on that.
That bluray disc wont play on any of those without additional hardware or having to get the dd verison.
Yet its portable and plays on almost all my devices
To bad bluray doesn't offer every title either. Both of them require time to grow.
DD has been taking over markets.
http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/music-retail-the-rise-of-digital/?display=wide
DD is up to 36% of the music industry
DD is over 5% of the book industry
DD is over 50% of the pc games industry
and its growing in all these markets
hd dvd has the same failings as bluray. So the thread wouldn't look any diffrentI am in sour grapes camp on this, if HD-DVD still was in play this thread would look completely different.
I prefer this thread
specwarGP2
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People who buy a BD for the DD copy are about as common as guys who buy playboy to read the articles
People who buy a BD for the DD copy are about as common as guys who buy playboy to read the articles
why. alice in wonder land hd on itunes is $20 bucks after the disney coupon alice in wonderland on bluray + dvd + dd at bestbuy is 12
Bambi is going to cost me $12 also for the same package. in fact most of the time the dd copy is more than bluray and bluray normaly comes with it
Ya Disney sends out coupons for $10 off the combo packs, I own a bunch of blu-rays, don't own a player, it's just cheaper getting the DVD that way and Disney films are often delayed release on DVD alone.
You can play your Microsoft movie on anything that supports Microsofts platform, and you know very well what my point is. You can play BluRay on your Windows, Mac, Laptop from both, Blu-Ray players, PS3 and so forth. Afaik you can´t play your DRM protected Zune purchase anywhere else.
Ohh and Zune.. impressive stuff, which i can´t use here.. i can´t even buy a player.
Music industry is destroyed by piracy there is a generation of customers that never bought a CD because they are used to downloading thanks to piracy. It´s the worst example of DD.
Books are interesting, and i actually thought it was bigger. But the same problems are here, i buy a paper edition i can read it everywhere. Buy a kindle book and prey that Apple doesn´t come up with a reason to kill the Kindle app
DD on the PC is not the same thing as DD movies it´s not a problem being locked to the PC platform when it´s PC games you are buying
How many movies did you purchase via DD? All that money is tied to one provider and those products and whatever conditions they decide on. Future proof, no.
The Blu-Ray selection easily beats any streaming servce i can access.
DD sales via Blu-Ray?, Half of Avatars disc sales was Blu-Ray (afaik there wasn´t one with DD included). And with +28.5 millions it will continue to provide big numbers and moneys for the studios.
Complete and utter bullshit debunked even on these forums a dozen times.
Books are interesting, and i actually thought it was bigger. But the same problems are here, i buy a paper edition i can read it everywhere. Buy a kindle book and prey that Apple doesn´t come up with a reason to kill the Kindle app
Or you could just buy an html or text version and read it on whatever the hell you want.
Netflix doesn't exactly lock you in. PC, TV, Console, iphone, ipad, etc.DD on the PC is not the same thing as DD movies it´s not a problem being locked to the PC platform when it´s PC games you are buying
Well where you can get netflix, blu-ray is losing by 50 or 100 to 1
While true that there was no DD, I wouldn't be so sure those were all blu-ray sales.
So when talking about direct download are they including:
1. Cable video on demand?
2. Netflix and other paid online services?
3. Hulu, Youtube etc video advertising revenues?
4. Live, PSN, iTunes etc proprietary online stores?
Because I doubt that any of those revenue figures would be openly shared.
You also have to ask for whom the data was prepared. They aren't exactly going to want to pen a report which is mainly for retailers which indicates that selling Blu Ray is a dying business.
1. Cable video on demand?
2. Netflix and other paid online services?
3. Hulu, Youtube etc video advertising revenues?
4. Live, PSN, iTunes etc proprietary online stores?
Because I doubt that any of those revenue figures would be openly shared.
You also have to ask for whom the data was prepared. They aren't exactly going to want to pen a report which is mainly for retailers which indicates that selling Blu Ray is a dying business.
Piracy killed the Physical CD not DD.
There is someone that is selling unprotected HTML versions of books? interesting, i was sure they were locked with DRM.
Netflix purchased movies can not be watched on any competing platforms, you are locked to netflix.
Netflix movie purchases are beating Blu-Ray? Or rentals? can you buy movies on Netflix, you know, since this DD platform is not available here i can´t really use it, so i don´t know.
So it was people paying more for the DVD version? "sure", they bought a Blu-Ray copy and some of them bought one with a free DVD copy.
Blurays require additional hardware for me to watch.
My zune plugs into my car monitors so my nephew can watch movies through it , my zune plugs into my pc and plays movies on it , my zune plugs into my tv and plays 720p movies on it .
I'd need a bluray player for each of my device and my ultra portable laptop will need an external bluray player to play it which takes away from its poratbility.
It sucks that zune doesn't work by you. However ms has continued to expand the markets that zune and windows phone is avalible in.
Piracy exists every where , even bluray is racked by it , i know people who have a full collection of bluray movies that have never bought a bluray or a bluray playerMusic industry is destroyed by piracy there is a generation of customers that never bought a CD because they are used to downloading thanks to piracy. It´s the worst example of DD.
Books are interesting, and i actually thought it was bigger. But the same problems are here, i buy a paper edition i can read it everywhere. Buy a kindle book and prey that Apple doesn´t come up with a reason to kill the Kindle app
DD on the PC is not the same thing as DD movies it´s not a problem being locked to the PC platform when it´s PC games you are buying
All Its the same with bluray. What do I do when they decide not to support bluray anymore ?
I have laser discs and hd dvds in which i can't find a new player if i wanted to how about beta max ?
What will i do with my vhs tapes when they stop making them ?
What will i do when they drop optical formats for something else and there is no way to play dvds or blurays .
I doubt that . I can find almost every bluray title avalible at my local store on a dd service. Perhaps if i travel to multiple stores i can find stuff.
I can tell you i can't get sleeping beauty bluray anymore but i can still get it DD . Gotta love out of print blurays
Thats great for avatar , to bad batman the dark knight came with dd , inception , all disney bluray animation , the pirates movies.
The majority of blurays come with DD coupons
You should read up on ebooks there are alot of places that have no drm and even the ones that do allow borrowing. My gf is borrowing my wheel o f time books at the moment. its locked so that only 1 person can bororw it at a time and it expires after 14 days and returns the rights to you. But it works very very well . I have 4 people borrowing books right now.
Netflix doesn't sell movies. in the states its $7 or $8 bucks for all you can eat downloading. The selection is of older titles mostly but through stars and some other deals they get newer things too. For older stuff it beats bluray any day of the week. I watched the first 5 seasons of bones in hd over netflix for $7 . On bluray through amazon it would cost $25 for the 4th season and $50 for the 5th the first 3 aren't avalible.
netflix is a really great deal for that type of stuff.
Other than that DD is still expensive for purchasing movies and the studios have to learn that they need to decrease the price on DD $15-$20 for the digital version only when you can get the bluray , dvd , DD for $15-$20 makes no sense for the consumer at all.
netflix member since 2000 here.
their DD selection is VERY lacking atm...
New movies come out in blu-ray/DVD only and only indie stuff (which I like btw) is available for DD on netflix--they claim it's not their fault, but the studios' though.
Also, very few DD items are HD and the ones that are HD look "good quality" DVDs to me. DD SD content look like crap.
Microsoft employee has posted something relevant to the discussion here on the other thread: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1522668&postcount=5060
I can tell you that netflix is easily above broadcast hd . I've watched 30rock on netflix and then a few hours later saw the same epsiode on nbc and the netflix verison looked better.
also zune 1080p movies is a step above netflix hd.
as for netflix's library its actually very good and they have signed new deals with many companys , they ave a 90 day policy after new releases due to block buster trying to stay alive and cable companys video on demand contracts.
also zune 1080p movies is a step above netflix hd.
as for netflix's library its actually very good and they have signed new deals with many companys , they ave a 90 day policy after new releases due to block buster trying to stay alive and cable companys video on demand contracts.
