Allard on HDD

[scooby_dooby]

That's a nice trick. I'd much prefer to have the option to buy it if it's optional for games.

The is just nothing but pure trolling. it's a comment that is intended only to create arguments and is not even a valid suggestion.

tell me, why exactly would you like to have the choice? You will still have to buy a memory card! So, you would RATHER have the choice to save $30-50 on the price of a HDD, so you can turn around and buy a memory card with 1/40th of the storage space?

Ya that's juts makes a TON of sense!

Nothing but a troll.

 

[_leech_]

The is just nothing but pure trolling. it's a comment that is intended only to create arguments and is not even a valid suggestion.

tell me, why exactly would you like to have the choice? You will still have to buy a memory card! So, you would RATHER have the choice to save $30-50 on the price of a HDD, so you can turn around and buy a memory card with 1/40th of the storage space?

Ya that's juts makes a TON of sense!

Nothing but a troll.

I think it's a valid point. For example, the X360 has USB ports, i have a 1GB USB flash drive... why would i need a HDD for?

 

[Atsim]

yeah, scooby_dooby, it makes a ton of sense. Maybe he's the kind of guy who doesn't play a lot, or only wants one or two games to play when he comes home from work.

You're making a big deal out of nothing.

 

[msia2k75]

The is just nothing but pure trolling. it's a comment that is intended only to create arguments and is not even a valid suggestion.

tell me, why exactly would you like to have the choice? You will still have to buy a memory card! So, you would RATHER have the choice to save $30-50 on the price of a HDD, so you can turn around and buy a memory card with 1/40th of the storage space?

Ya that's juts makes a TON of sense!

Nothing but a troll.

Yeah but the fact is Microsoft wants to make profit this gen. I don't think having an HDD standard will help. OTOH, forcing the consumer to buy memory cards help in that way.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Fair enough.

Although, it goes without saying the percentage of users that have memory cards just kicking around is so negligible that it is hardly worth considering for MS.

99.9% of buyers will require a memory card, which means making a HDD-less offering just a plain BAD value from the consumers perspective. Having it bundled you will get the most bang for the $30-50 by far.

What he said was basically paramount to "I wish they'd make me buy a memory card instead of a 20Gb HDD at cost" it's just ridiculous. He's just a Sony lover who doesn't even plan on buyig both consoles, and he only "wants" to see teh HDD-Less SKU for forum fodder and to see x360 fail.

On the other hand I will be buying both consoles, and I wish BOTH consoles had HDD's because I haven't touched a memory card in 3 years, and I'm not looking forward to paying $50/pop AND running out of room and having to delete gamesaves. it stupid, and in 2006 consoles should have HDD's built in, quit trying to rape the consumers.

But I'll let you guys nitpick away....BTW since we already know games WILL use the HDD, then the entire discussion is sorta pointless. You guys are sayinf IF it's not used for games, why sould we have to buy it. well it IS used for games(FF11, or any of the numerous MMO's that have been announced)....so what say ye now?

 

[Spidermate]

It's funny, I speculated this a while back, but noone seemed to believe me. Here's the post:

I don't know guys, I've been thinking something for the longest... Remember early on when Xenon's specs were first released and the HDD as standard was undecided?? What I'm thinking, is the first few shipments, or maybe the first few million will come with the HDD standard(sort of like the first 1 million PSPs coming with Spiderman UMD). What this does is 1, it takes care of the hardcore(early adopters) who are more likely to get XBL and will have a need for a HDD. And 2, it also gives developers a known install base from the get go of people with HDDs, so that they can create content for it with no worries. And 3, once the PS3 hits, or after a certain amount of time, I think MS will lower the price of the 360 and take out the HDD(to help cushion the price drop.)

So if you want your HDD to be packed in, I would suggest trying to pick up a launch unit. I could be wrong, but when you think about it, it would be good business sense.

When you say things like this, you are usually a whisper in the air until it actually happens. But what it really comes down to is people not wanting to accept what could be possible in fear of being let down.

 

[jvd]

THe hardrive is at the cheapest price point . Unless you feel ms is going to ship a sub 300$ xbox 360 .


We do not know how devs will handle the fact that the hardrive is gone if someone pulsls it out during game play . Most likely they will just have a screen come up saying hardrive is missing please replace before continueing

There is nothing that shows me that ms will at some point take out the hardrive . This would make nose sense as the hardrives themselves should scale in price (although slowly) at most likely they will at some point be able to offer a bigger drive for the same price as the 20 gig .


As for pvr . Ati is big into all in wonder products and has a great line up . They can simply adapt thier usb wonder to work on the xbox 360 and sell a special version . Perhaps ms will even bundle them together with a bigger harrdrive

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Fair enough.

Although, it goes without saying the percentage of users that have memory cards just kicking around is so negligible that it is hardly worth considering for MS.

99.9% of buyers will require a memory card, which means making a HDD-less offering just a plain BAD value from the consumers perspective. Having it bundled you will get the most bang for the $30-50 by far.

What he said was basically paramount to "I wish they'd make me buy a memory card instead of a 20Gb HDD at cost" it's just ridiculous. He's just a Sony lover who doesn't even plan on buyig both consoles, and he only "wants" to see teh HDD-Less SKU for forum fodder and to see x360 fail.

On the other hand I will be buying both consoles, and I wish BOTH consoles had HDD's because I haven't touched a memory card in 3 years, and I'm not looking forward to paying $50/pop AND running out of room and having to delete gamesaves. it stupid, and in 2006 consoles should have HDD's built in, quit trying to rape the consumers.

But I'll let you guys nitpick away....BTW since we already know games WILL use the HDD, then the entire discussion is sorta pointless. You guys are sayinf IF it's not used for games, why sould we have to buy it. well it IS used for games(FF11, or any of the numerous MMO's that have been announced)....so what say ye now?

Most gamers are used to buying a memory card seperate. I say this based on the PS1/PS2. Since they have most of the gamers, and they are used to buying a memory card seperate, I don't see the big deal. I'd prefer them to pack in the HDD, but it won't be the end of the world if they don't. PEACE.

 

[DVFtaxman]

To me this all just sounds like they're keeping their options open........in fact, it probably also gives them the option of releasing a version at a killer pricepoint around the same time as PS3 (should the PS3 come in cheaper than expected), without absolutely clobbering themselves on losses per console.

 

[Mr_Puffy]

caching...

I think it's a valid point. For example, the X360 has USB ports, i have a 1GB USB flash drive... why would i need a HDD for?

hmm.....

From seems to be making use of the Xbox 360 hard disk for caching purposes in order to provide, as Takeuchi states, a stress-free, seamless experience. While it's not the case that there won't ever be a "Now Loading" screen in the game, such a screen will be very rare. This, according to Takeuchi, will be true of pretty much all Xbox 360 games, as it's something that Microsoft is taking seriously.

Enchant Arm Update: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/638/638323p1.html

 

[Npl]

Fair enough.

Although, it goes without saying the percentage of users that have memory cards just kicking around is so negligible that it is hardly worth considering for MS.

99.9% of buyers will require a memory card, which means making a HDD-less offering just a plain BAD value from the consumers perspective. Having it bundled you will get the most bang for the $30-50 by far.

What he said was basically paramount to "I wish they'd make me buy a memory card instead of a 20Gb HDD at cost" it's just ridiculous. He's just a Sony lover who doesn't even plan on buyig both consoles, and he only "wants" to see teh HDD-Less SKU for forum fodder and to see x360 fail.

On the other hand I will be buying both consoles, and I wish BOTH consoles had HDD's because I haven't touched a memory card in 3 years, and I'm not looking forward to paying $50/pop AND running out of room and having to delete gamesaves. it stupid, and in 2006 consoles should have HDD's built in, quit trying to rape the consumers.

But I'll let you guys nitpick away....BTW since we already know games WILL use the HDD, then the entire discussion is sorta pointless. You guys are sayinf IF it's not used for games, why sould we have to buy it. well it IS used for games(FF11, or any of the numerous MMO's that have been announced)....so what say ye now?

So your implying you run out of room on 512 or 1Gig Memory Cards, yet you dont run out of room on a HDD?
If I need a HDD (and I will likely get one) for serious stuff like putting movies on it, using Linux or wathever 20Gigs is a fricking insult. Why should I be happy about paying for something I have to replace anyways?

Run out of space on MemoryCard? buy a second one and use both. Out of space on HDD: get new one and throw away old.

For most people and their gaming needs a Mem-Card in the 0.5-1 Gig range is enough, let alone you can easily take the Card with you and use them somewhere else.

 

[Titanio]

There is nothing that shows me that ms will at some point take out the hardrive . This would make nose sense as the hardrives themselves should scale in price (although slowly) at most likely they will at some point be able to offer a bigger drive for the same price as the 20 gig .

Harddrives beyond a certain point are something that actually don't scale in price. This was something that bit MS in the ass with Xbox.

Also:

"Look at the success the iPod has had by having different offerings. That is something we have looked at, sort of on the long-term horizon. We want to go get everybody out there that likes to play, and make them an Xbox customer. how do we do that? I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all approach over the next five year horizon."

"We've been talking a little bit about la-la land, and saying, "Maybe there's someday that an Xbox 360 doesn't come with a hard drive." Actually, the very first one we sell is goin to have a hard drive. It doesn't mean that the hard drive is always going to be attached."

This was all in the context of hard disks and whether it's standard or not. I think it's pretty obvious they're considering the option to take it out later. And they're treating the HDD internally as a non-standard option such that this is possible. Effectively, as far as games are concerned, it may as well be taken out later.

The is just nothing but pure trolling. it's a comment that is intended only to create arguments and is not even a valid suggestion.

tell me, why exactly would you like to have the choice? You will still have to buy a memory card! So, you would RATHER have the choice to save $30-50 on the price of a HDD, so you can turn around and buy a memory card with 1/40th of the storage space?

Ya that's juts makes a TON of sense!

Nothing but a troll.

:megaroll

I think I would prefer to have the choice. That isn't to say I wouldn't choose the HDD. But I don't like the idea of it being forced. That $30-50 could go toward another game - if the mem stick is large enough to handle multiple game saves, and it should be if starting at 64MB, then yeah, I'd like that choice. It's just a matter of choice, plain and simple. I don't think MS will be alone in doing this, I could easily see Sony for example making it part of the first shipments, ala the PSP "value packs".

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

To add to that the Memory card looks like nothing more than a USB key drive. I imagine with a little back up from a hacker I could turn my 256MB USB drive into a VERY nice Xbox 360 memory card. Nothing quite like "free as in beer", eh?

 

[Farid]

The is just nothing but pure trolling.

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Nothing but a troll.

You know that troll name calling is just as uncalled for as trolling on the forum, don't you?
Calling people trolls on the forum won't help the noise:signal ratio to hold up at reasonable levels, it will just add more noise.
If you think someone's post is nothing but a disturbance to the thread or the forum just use the bad posts report button.

In this case, though, the argument you're calling a troll is a valid one.
If the HDD is just a big solid state stockage, like the MC is, one could legitimately ask for a, cheaper, version without a HDD. That's not trolling, that's a different opinion on the situation.
I, for one, would prefer a HDD since it's way cheaper per Megabytes compared to a MC, but I can understand why someone would prefer save some bucks on the machine bundled without a HDD but with a MC or nothing. To each his own, as they say.

 

[scooby_dooby]

I can concede that it's a more valid argument than I originally thought, however framing a basically "free" 20GB HDD as a negative is a little far fetched. The 360 would be $299 regardless and we all know this. So the consumer is winning here, this is not a bad thing by any stretch.

So in closing,

#1 - The HDD is included as of launch and is part of the "standard" x360 package.

#2 - The list of games that actually do use the HDD continues to grow. For example, enchant arm, FF11, oblivion, huxley for starters...

#3 - Allard mentioned n "la la land" there may be a time when the x360 sells without a HDD. La la land. Take that as you want to.

CLose thread?

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

What if it's not free? What if the HDD Xbox360 cost, well to pull a number, $360? It's not free then is it? I guess, MS could market it as a value pakage, kinda like the PSP, and make people think they're saving money, but it's all realitve really. The way things seem to be moving is MS is looking to find any and all venues in to gain a litle money. This looks to result in periphreal maddness, so I dunno how free the HDD is gonna actually be. Until MS says something more concrete, we're just left in the dark.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Well they are announcing the price in 5 days at 9:30 ET so I guess we'll see.

 

[g35er]

I don't like the idea that all games are required to accomodate for the fact that there may not be a hard drive. This may cause developers to forego producing certain types of games because they have the "possible no hd" restraint. Most likely, even if MS eventually sells 360's w/o the hard drive, most people will opt for an hd version. It would be better if developers have the choice to produce hd required games as needed for these types of games and just mark them "hard drive required" very clearly on the box. So the 95% or whatever of people with an hd can enjoy it and the 5% can decide if the hd-required games are good enough to warrant buying a hd. Ideally most games should be hd-optional with a few that are hd-required and a few that don't use an hd at all.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Dev's do have this option, and since 99% of users will have their HDD's connected I don't see why Dev's won't utilize it.

FF11 is an example of a 360 game where a HDD is required to play.

 

[jvd]

THe problem with this thread is that people are making a mountian out of a molehil .

So far the hdd is included with the system. There is no proof that at any point it will be taken out as there are no comments refering specificly to the pulling of the hdd . The comment can apply to hd-dvd , bigger drives or a number of diffrent packages

Sony on the other hand has yet to announce the hardrive coming standard with the system and so far there is nothing showing they will .

That is a marked diffrence . Perhaps they will say more at x05 or at tgs . Till then I believe its best to drop the subject untill we get more solid info on both of thier plans