256 bit memory bus in the mid end

I apologize in advance but i don't undestand one thing.

Rumors on the X800 se started as it was a totally crippled R420. I understand how deffectives quads could be disabled to get 8 pipes off 16, but can you on top of that divide the bus by two on that same chip?
 
Yes, just as the 9500 pro was a 9700 without one quad. If one or 2 quads are defective, you can desactivate them.

But well, you could have one pipeline defective in each quad, making the chip useless (at least if you can't re-arranged the pipes)
 
PatrickL said:
can you on top of that divide the bus by two on that same chip?
I don't see why not. You could do it on the 9700/9500, the 9600, the 9800, the 5200, the 5600, and so on.
 
Again, as I pointed out earlier, to provide a 256MB board they would need to have a different reference board design, which is something I doubt they'd bother doing. Given that 9800 PRO is rapidly dropping to the sub $200 barrier I don't think its board costs any longer that will prevent further 256-bit bussed boards.
 
Evildeus said:
Yes, just as the 9500 pro was a 9700 without one quad. If one or 2 quads are defective, you can desactivate them.

Sorry, ED, but the 9500Pro used all 8 pipes, it was the 9500 that used only one quad. The 9500Pro used 128 bit memory bus.........as opposed to 256 for the 9700........ ;)
 
DaveBaumann said:
Given that 9800 PRO is rapidly dropping to the sub $200 barrier I don't think its board costs any longer that will prevent further 256-bit bussed boards.

Market positioning is another matter though.
The hope here comes from the fact that portable computers are gradually taking over the home market. To date, both ATI and nVidia has utilized their middle level desktop parts as high-end portable chips (or possibly the other way around). Portables always use LCD screens which makes using them at native resolution highly desireable, and the high pixel to pixel contrast makes anti-aliasing very desireable as well. Basically portable gfx should offer good performance at high resolutions and with good FSAA.
They don't though. But they should, and since wide busses don't add significantly to power draw per se, it would seem like a natural path to walk.

Hopefully these solutions will then migrate to similar desktop counterparts. The enthusiast gfx solutions are becoming too damn niche. It's not a sustainable evolutionary branch, they feel like the American muscle cars of the late 60s.
 
I find NVidia's prices quite unbelievable. They've always charged more than ATI for comparable products (except maybe the 5900XT), and this time it looks like NVidia's products (at least the 6800 series) are going to cost a lot more to manufacture too, using a much larger chunk of silicon and a hefty heatsink.

The $299 price for the 6800 NU seems way too underpriced to me. I'll believe NVidia's prices when I see them.
 
DaveBaumann said:
Again, as I pointed out earlier, to provide a 256MB board they would need to have a different reference board design, which is something I doubt they'd bother doing. Given that 9800 PRO is rapidly dropping to the sub $200 barrier I don't think its board costs any longer that will prevent further 256-bit bussed boards.

The rumour that suggested the X800se was 128bit, also suggested it was 128mb
 
I confirmed retail prices for Europe with nVidia a few minutes ago:
6800 Ultra 549 EUR (VAT incl.)
6800 349 EUR (VAT incl.)

Retail availability last week of May or first week of June.
 
Even if it was the case, how a supposed X800 se with 128 memory bus and 128 mo could find a spot on the market at 299 $ while the 9800 pro with a 256 bus and 128 mo is under 200 $ ?

What would be the features on the X800SE to have a price 50 % higher ?
 
Ante P said:
I confirmed retail prices for Europe with nVidia a few minutes ago:
6800 Ultra 549 EUR (VAT incl.)
6800 349 EUR (VAT incl.)

Retail availability last week of May or first week of June.

I have to say I find those prices HIGHLY unlikely, as Europe are always higher priced than the united states, the UK especially, and according to your pricing that would mean I can buy the 6800Ultra for £368, and ive never come across a new card yet which costs less that £399.00, some even cost upto £499.00.

If the american prices are true and $399.00 is the ultra's price, I would order from the US as todays exchange rate would net me that item for £225.00 which is less than the 9800XT by quite a margin.

Either way I think prices will be higher.

Edit: changed WILL to WOULD as I want to see the R420 first :D
 
Ante P said:
I confirmed retail prices for Europe with nVidia a few minutes ago:
6800 Ultra 549 EUR (VAT incl.)
6800 349 EUR (VAT incl.)

Retail availability last week of May or first week of June.

Considering these prices are VAT included, $499 and $299 sounds about right for the US.

What pisses me off is that the 6800 nU is a 128MB RAM part. If it was 256MB I would buy it the second it hits the market.
 
L233 said:
What pisses me off is that the 6800 nU is a 128MB RAM part. If it was 256MB I would buy it the second it hits the market.

AIBs can do the board with 256 MB if they want to. It's just the reference design that's 128 MB.

Just like the 5900 NU. Not that there were a lot of 256 MB 5900 NU's. Gainward had one though.
 
DW Fan!!!!! said:
I have to say I find those prices HIGHLY unlikely, as Europe are always higher priced than the united states, the UK especially, and according to your pricing that would mean I can buy the 6800Ultra for £368, and ive never come across a new card yet which costs less that £399.00, some even cost upto £499.00.

Prices are higher in Europe mainly because of VAT and import duty. The insane price level is mainly a UK problem.

One of the cheaper Radeon 9800 Pro cards is €200 in Germany, $200 in the US and £200 in the UK.

It would actually make sense for a Brit to order a video card somewhere in continental Europe.
 
It takes the frickin P*ss what we have to pay, luckily I managed to wangle a rad 9800 pro out of Komplett for £130 before christmas, because of a pricing error, it shoulda been £280 at the time, dont ya just love pricing errors. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
I'm just waiting to have my question answered .

I have a 9700pro. I want at least 2x the performance across the board over my 9700pro. How much money do i need to save for that ? ;)

Guess i need to wait for the reviews
 
Evildeus said:
DW Fan!!!!! said:
Ante P said:
I confirmed retail prices for Europe with nVidia a few minutes ago:
6800 Ultra 549 EUR (VAT incl.)
6800 349 EUR (VAT incl.)

Retail availability last week of May or first week of June.

I have to say I find those prices HIGHLY unlikely, as Europe are always higher priced than the united states,
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11657 ;)

Actually some AIB's are going even lower, I know of at least one who's doing 499 EUR at launch.
 
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