neckthrough
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I need an upgrade for my 3080. I have a budget of $1000. What GPU should I buy?
NVIDIA discussion [2025]
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I have a GTX 1660 that I'll sell you.
arandomguy
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The latest influencer click bait cash cow.
Lol.
I wonder what would happen if only people who were actually in the market for a $1000 GPU got to comment on the 5080. Yea it’s a completely pointless upgrade from the 4080 but I doubt it’s 4080 owners who are carpet bombing the internet right now.
arandomguy
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In terms of the data something like 50% of discrete GPU sales are to laptops. I haven't found strict estimates for desktop sales but inferring based on the state of the market I have to assume the majority of prebuilts and SI. When you have retail DIY left well again it's unlikely even retail DIY is upgrading gen on gen as the majority. I recall this was over a decade ago I think Nvidia mentioning at that time the majority of people upgraded after 2 cycles and that was what they were targeting back then, however I think it's likely the upgrade cycle is even longer now (and this is trend we see in other similar spaces as well).
With the above we can obviously see an issue then in terms of analyzing product decisions based on how it compares to last gen when it's likely not the priority in the overall decision making process. Yes the RTX 5080 is not a compelling upgrade for RTX 4080 owners and Nvidia failed in in terms of doing that basically via incomplete/did not attempt. So really the discussion would likely make sense if it shifted towards how much priority Nvidia (and others) should be designing this to target gen on gen upgrades, what that would mean, and whether or not that is even possible nowadays.
As for who's complaining or just commenting in general personally I've always felt (and this stretches back over 20 years now) the majority of commenting on this stuff is just for the sake of commenting and debating on it. The online hardware debate/discussion is it's own hobby by itself.
DLSS 4's announcement may have convinced me to switch from AMD to Nvidia for the next generation of GPUs, and I doubt I'm the only one | PC Gamer
January 30, 2025
There are still those among us who consider AI upscaling and frame generation to be cheating, to some degree. It'll always introduce some sort of artifacting or latency, they argue, and it's never quite as good as raw raster. I like my coffee black and my meat raw, those sorts of people.
For a long time, I was one of them. But now I think it's time to admit that, far from being a frame-boosting lesser option, a panacea for performance-related woes, it's now an integral part of PC gaming. Hell, gaming in general. Complaining about it at this point feels a little like King Canute shouting at the tide. Get those AI kids off my lawn, and all that.
And in this brave new world of upscaling being more of a requirement than an option, Nvidia really does seem to be holding all the cards. Yes, FSR 3.1 isn't bad at Quality settings, but as my upscaler comparison testing shows, it's still not a patch on DLSS when it comes to image quality—especially when you push it down to Balanced or even, goodness forbid, Performance levels.
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There's still a lot yet that might change my mind. For example, in Dave's RTX 5080 testing, he found that Multi Frame Generation struggles with latency when really pushed. Force the RTX 5080 down to 25 fps raw performance levels and the added latency becomes noticeable, which doesn't bode well for the much-less-powerful RTX 5070 being pushed into similar territory.
We'll find out just what that's like in person when our test sample arrives. The same applies to the RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT for that matter, as all is currently quiet on that front—other than suggestions they'll be here in March. But again, unless the price is phenomenally cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent (or AMD pulls an upscaling rabbit out of a hat), it really does seem like the RTX 50-series stands a good chance of dominating this generation.
For what it's worth, I hope that's not the case. I hope FSR 4 is great, the RX 9070-series is impressive, the prices are low, and this article can be shoved back in my face. Competition is a good thing, and one company completely dominating all the others benefits no-one.
As things currently stand, though, when it comes to my own cash, the RTX 5070 looks like the most likely candidate for my next GPU purchase. Well, after I've convinced my partner I need a new graphics card and we don't need to be saving for a house quite as hard as we currently are.
January 30, 2025
There are still those among us who consider AI upscaling and frame generation to be cheating, to some degree. It'll always introduce some sort of artifacting or latency, they argue, and it's never quite as good as raw raster. I like my coffee black and my meat raw, those sorts of people.
For a long time, I was one of them. But now I think it's time to admit that, far from being a frame-boosting lesser option, a panacea for performance-related woes, it's now an integral part of PC gaming. Hell, gaming in general. Complaining about it at this point feels a little like King Canute shouting at the tide. Get those AI kids off my lawn, and all that.
And in this brave new world of upscaling being more of a requirement than an option, Nvidia really does seem to be holding all the cards. Yes, FSR 3.1 isn't bad at Quality settings, but as my upscaler comparison testing shows, it's still not a patch on DLSS when it comes to image quality—especially when you push it down to Balanced or even, goodness forbid, Performance levels.
...
There's still a lot yet that might change my mind. For example, in Dave's RTX 5080 testing, he found that Multi Frame Generation struggles with latency when really pushed. Force the RTX 5080 down to 25 fps raw performance levels and the added latency becomes noticeable, which doesn't bode well for the much-less-powerful RTX 5070 being pushed into similar territory.
We'll find out just what that's like in person when our test sample arrives. The same applies to the RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT for that matter, as all is currently quiet on that front—other than suggestions they'll be here in March. But again, unless the price is phenomenally cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent (or AMD pulls an upscaling rabbit out of a hat), it really does seem like the RTX 50-series stands a good chance of dominating this generation.
For what it's worth, I hope that's not the case. I hope FSR 4 is great, the RX 9070-series is impressive, the prices are low, and this article can be shoved back in my face. Competition is a good thing, and one company completely dominating all the others benefits no-one.
As things currently stand, though, when it comes to my own cash, the RTX 5070 looks like the most likely candidate for my next GPU purchase. Well, after I've convinced my partner I need a new graphics card and we don't need to be saving for a house quite as hard as we currently are.
It’s more 3080 owners that want a meaningful upgrade. The 5080 is basically a 4080 Super, people who have been holding out for Blackwell basically don’t have a new 80 class product to buy. They’d have been better off buying a 4080S a year ago unless they really were interested in 4x framegen.
I continue to run a 3080ti and I just don’t see where to go from here lol. I want more VRAM ultimately but I don’t really want to go AMD (I have before and used to run them solely so it’s not like I discriminate, I just like DLSS) but my only meaningful upgrade options remain $1000+ and aren’t even particularly game changing. I was hoping we would see 4080(S) performance for a lot cheaper but I suppose that’s too much to ask without a node shrink?
Average Inflation is up at least 15% from the launch of Ampere. So the MSRP in todays value would be $804. The 5070TI costs less and will be ~40% faster with 16GB. The 5080 is 60% faster and if we not ignoring the much higher prices of a 5nm wafer these prices without real competition is not as bad as people are making it.
It is at least a baseline for the average devaluation of the money. Specific for semi conductor business inflation is much higher - like 3x+.
nVidia has updated their Deepseek performance:
nVidia has updated their Deepseek performance:
Accelerate DeepSeek Reasoning Models With NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series AI PCs
With up to 3,352 TOPS of AI horsepower, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs can run the DeepSeek family of distilled models faster than anything on the PC market.
blogs.nvidia.com
The 5080 is 75% faster than the 3080 at 4K and over 100% faster in RT. If that’s not a meaningful upgrade then yeah those ppl are outa luck. Or get a 9070 XT.
Yes it’s annoying that a similar level of performance was available a year ago but that has no bearing on today’s purchase decision. You can also wait another year or two and hope to get a more meaningful upgrade for the same money.
75% better two generations later for $300 more isn’t all that compelling when you consider the price hike puts it in a different category altogether.
Only us enthusiasts fuss over these often pointless historical comparisons.
So going back to my earlier comment - these emotional takes are not very useful for actual shoppers. When I buy my next TV or car I will not care how much better it is than the previous year’s model as I don’t buy a new tv or car every year.
I don’t know how many 3080 owners actually got one for $700 but for those people the 5070 Ti or 9070 XT may fit the bill.
DegustatoR
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"XX80 GPUs" is a completely meaningless metric.
I'll keep repeating this until people will actually start to realize that.
I'll keep repeating this until people will actually start to realize that.
You do that, people will meanwhile continue to use such metrics because it's not meaningless and they will continue to do so regardless of do you realize it or not.
Why do they name GPU's like this then? Why not just randomize the order, like make 6070 the flagship, 6080 Ti entry level and 6080 a mid-tier card? Or give them cute animal names.
DegustatoR
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To make you buy a 5080 at $1200 because it's "a XX80 GPU" and you've "always bought XX80 GPU previously".
It's a marketing plot for those who can't think.
This sounds like it has a meaning though.
Tech media showing what's up can be quite helpful for dummies like me then. That's great!
5070Ti would be a solid upgrade from a 3080 IMO. And who knows maybe you'll actually be able to purchase a 5070Ti around MSRP. Biggest problem with Blackwell is looking to be availability
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