Sony PlayStation 5 Pro

[snc]

Is not as impressive as it seems because FF7R image quality was just atrocious.
That was probably the "best case scenario".
To better judged what PSSR can do you need to see what it does to better original image quality.

I think cases when pro improved atrocious quality are more important I wasnt impresed by lou2 or ratchet that much, games looks already good on base ps5.

 

[trinibwoy]

Very nice.

AI based upscaler producing better results than native + TAA. Hmmm

 

[davis.anthony]

It's only impressive because the stock game is so shit from an IQ point of view.

 

[trinibwoy]

It's only impressive because the stock game is so shit from an IQ point of view.

That certainly helps.

 

[Globalisateur]

Very nice.

AI based upscaler producing better results than native + TAA. Hmmm

Means their AI upscaler is pretty good. Maybe not up to par with DLSS yet, but it's maybe very close for the first version. What I like here is the super sharp textures! This is a traditionnal Playstation trait of their previous techs, already with most CBR implementations (they had custom silicon on Pro just for that).

Also what's impressive is the almost lack of ghosting in motion including in alpha effects and vegetation. This is the main problem of FSR and likely the main reason why FSR would not be possible on this game because of the prevalence of alpha effects during combat. FSR would mean a vaseline mask in all combats and it would be a disaster (like in Wukong BTW). But here the countless transparency effects look so clean during those moments, it's really a promising tech.

 

[GLS28R]

PSSR looks to be quite disappointing so far for an AI upscaler. It is better than FSR, but as DF has pointed out, the image is not temporally stable in FFVII or Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, compared to what DLSS or XeSS has been able to offer.

 

[Tkumpathenurple]

When DLSS is updated for Nvidia cards, does it improve DLSS in all games which use it, or are games effectively tied to a single version of DLSS?

I'm just wondering if we might be able to expect system software updates to improve IQ.

 

[raytracingfan]

When DLSS is updated for Nvidia cards, does it improve DLSS in all games which use it, or are games effectively tied to a single version of DLSS?

I'm just wondering if we might be able to expect system software updates to improve IQ.

Games are tied to a specific version of DLSS, but since DLSS uses a .dll file it can be manually swapped by the user. The DirectSR API is supposed to fix this by tying the DLSS version to the driver instead of the game. Sony can design the PSSR API from the start to tie the PSSR version to the console software instead of the game's software if it wishes to.

 

[Boss]

PSSR looks to be quite disappointing so far for an AI upscaler. It is better than FSR, but as DF has pointed out, the image is not temporally stable in FFVII or Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, compared to what DLSS or XeSS has been able to offer.

As a first attempt, I don't think so. Far better than the first attempt for DLSS.

 

[GLS28R]

As a first attempt, I don't think so. Far better than the first attempt for DLSS.

It isn't "far" better at all.

Also, DLSS 1.0 came out 5 years ago. It's a useless comparison.

The initial version of XeSS was better than what we've seen of PSSR so far.

 

[rntongo]

PSSR looks great so far it will only get better.

 

[DavidGraham]

This is the main problem of FSR and likely the main reason why FSR would not be possible on this game because of the prevalence of alpha effects during combat. FSR would mean a vaseline mask in all combats and it would be a disaster (like in Wukong BTW)

Yeah, this is exactly what happened with FF16 on PC. DLSS and XeSS didn't exhibit that issue.

In this game, AMD FSR 3.0 suffers from major artifacts. While we did not notice major ghosting, almost all of the particles are a complete mess. Look how pixelated and “low-res” the whole scene looks with FSR 3.0 in the following comparison

Final Fantasy 16 - Native 4K vs DLSS 3 vs FSR 3.0 Benchmarks & Comparisons

The good news is that Final Fantasy XVI supports NVIDIA DLSS 3, AMD FSR 3.0 and Intel XeSS. So, let's benchmark and compare them.

www.dsogaming.com

 

[function]

PSSR appears to be a genuine 3rd entrant into the ML upscaling race. That's a great thing, and good for the console market.

I can't help but point out that this is what MS made customisations to their hardware for, announced, and then couldn't be arsed to even try even once (on console, they've developed for laptops).

PS5 Pro is looking like a really nice upgrade for people with the readies, with pretty honest expectations being set. Gotta respect that, even if the pricing is a little higher than people were hoping for.

If I was a PS gamer with the money to spend I'd give it a shot.

 

[techuse]

PSSR takes up all the extra power here. Seems more and more likely it's being done on the shader core.

 

[Remij]

PSSR takes up all the extra power here. Seems more and more likely it's being done on the shader core.

Where's this idea from?

 

[techuse]

Where's this idea from?

The DF FF 7 Rebirth video. The Pro is running all settings and resolution identically with PSSR being the only differentiator.

 

[snc]

The DF FF 7 Rebirth video. The Pro is running all settings and resolution identically with PSSR being the only differentiator.

Taking into account that ps5 use bilinear upscale that is cheap and pro still after pssr use same internal res + has more stable framerate we can defenitly expect increase internal res when base ps5 use fsr2 like in Alan Wake2

 

[techuse]

Taking into account that ps5 use bilinear upscale that is cheap and pro still after pssr use same internal res + has more stable framerate we can defenitly expect increase internal res when base ps5 use fsr2 like in Alan Wake2

That's probably a worse use of the quite small power increase on offer. I'd expect PSSR to provide a larger improvement than upping the internal res for FSR 2.

 

[snc]

That's probably a worse use of the quite small power increase on offer. I'd expect PSSR to provide a larger improvement than upping the internal res for FSR 2.

Rather best when we have internal below 1080p

 

[techuse]

Rather best when we have internal below 1080p

Why do you think FSR 2 would fare better than PSSR at a resolution lower than 1080p?