NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability

Cyan said:
what a horrible generation.

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GeForce RTX 5070 and RTX 5060 production reportedly delayed due to 'chip performance problems'

According to a new report, 'performance issues in the chips' for the upcoming GeForce RTX 5070 and RTX 5060 has led to production delays.
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Guessing they found a bunch more of those missing ROPs?

What a way to really screw up a launch. Hopefully they've figured it out, but at this point it's probably too little too late to stem the incoming Radeon tide. At least, as consumers, we should hope so...
 
Albuquerque said:
What a way to really screw up a launch. Hopefully they've figured it out, but at this point it's probably too little too late to stem the incoming Radeon tide. At least, as consumers, we should hope so...
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I would bet my life against any Radeon resurgence. Nvidia presence is just too strong, until Radeon finds it's way into prebuilts it's going to be a rounding error on the Steam HW survey.
 
Cappuccino said:
Personally to the people I know currently building, the only realistic choice is Radeon: you can't even buy Nvidia, and you def can't at a decent price.
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I think this is actually quite important. There is always people who only buy NVIDIA, but even among these people there will be some getting desperate and might settle for a reasonably priced Radeon, even if just for a temporary. It's like Japanese cars in the 70s, people had prejudices against them, but when they had to buy one, they found out these cars were actually quite good. Although it takes time, the perception can be changed.
 
Yeah, at the moment there are incredibly few NVIDIA cards available to the masses unless you want to get scalped. If AMD can show up with a bunch of supply and a reasonably competitive card, I can't imagine why some of those midrange-GPU green folks wouldn't go red for this generation.
 
AMD RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs, which rival the best graphics cards, were launched on March 5, three days ago. The RDNA 4-powered graphics card is the second best-selling GPU on Amazon and has taken the first spot in Amazon Germany and Amazon UK. Remember that these standings are dynamic and are subject to change as consumers purchase more units of one graphics card than the other.

Despite the supply issues with the GeForce RTX 50-series GPUs, the RTX 5070 Ti has remained on top of Amazon's best-selling list. The MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16G Ventus 3X OC, launched at $829.99, appears to be the most popular model. The Asus TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition is in second place.

Amazon Germany lists the XFX Swift Radeon RX 9070 OC White as its best-selling GPU, despite being listed for €929.99 — this is way above its $549 MSRP (around €506), even if you include taxes. On the other hand, the U.K.’s top bestseller is the Gigabyte Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming OC, which is already unavailable at the time of this article.

Despite seemingly launching with more stock than Nvidia and Intel, AMD’s RX 9070 series GPUs quickly ran out within a few hours of its launch. Scalpers are now selling them for more than twice the MSRP, and it’s apparent that people still buy these mid-range cards despite scalpers selling them at high-end prices.
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AMD's RX 9070 is on track to become the best-selling GPU on Amazon — RDNA 4 already ranks as the top bestseller in Amazon Germany and UK

AMD's RDNA 4 GPUs are selling like hotcakes.
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Interesting the 5070 is somehow still at the top of the best selling list, I suppose that's at least a partial answer to questions surrounding product availability. I know we'd all love to know more numbers behind that little detail...
 
Albuquerque said:
Interesting the 5070 is somehow still at the top of the best selling list, I suppose that's at least a partial answer to questions surrounding product availability. I know we'd all love to know more numbers behind that little detail...
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Does it (I'm assuming you meant Ti since that's the one on the list)?
Pretty sure the argued product availability issues were about 5080/5090, which several retailers confirmed, and now to some extent 5070 with stocks delayed in many markets (double checking for ROPs?) Can't remember 5070 Ti being part of those discussions.
 
Sorry, you're right -- I meant the 5070 Ti flavor. I thought there were a bunch of internet-folk laughing at the 5070 and 5070 Ti being gone and making jokes about availability there, too. Maybe I'm out of touch ;)
 
5070 Ti supply was also very limited according YouTubers and anecdotal reports from Microcenter customers etc. I haven’t seen any reporting that the 5070s sold in decent quantities.
 
This situation is unprecedented for NVIDIA, they stopped making RTX 40 cards 6 months ago (suggesting they intended to launch RTX 50 earlier), but they made very little RTX 50 cards, and of those little there were cards with missing ROPs (suggesting a manufacturing issue). They effectively have absolutely no cards to sell for ~3 months now. It's the first time I have seen this happen.

They obviously delayed the launch of RTX 50 by 3 months, but still couldn't supply enough quantities after launching late, even the laptop launch was delayed, which is unprecedented because NVIDIA is uncontested in laptops (they have ~90% laptop marketshare, and AMD will not even make RDNA4 laptop versions). Something must have definitely gone wrong with either the supply/manufacturing process, or their whole supply of wafers went straight into AI, or it's a combination of both possibilities. This situation is not normal.
 
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Do we have any real data yet regarding chips with missing ROPs? Specifically, do we have any sense of how many GPUs are affected? Is it 1%? 10%? 50%? It seems like a scant few cards have blown up the news cycle, just like 12-pin HPWR burning down houses ( /s ) but how widespread are the missing ROPs really? I find it difficult to believe the failures make it into double-digit percentages, I'd even be surprised to find it exceeded just a scant few percent.

I feel like the missing ROPs GPUs, while newsworthy, aren't a major contributor to supply at this time.
 
I wonder if the main reason is Nvidia being afraid that with what 50 series are bringing over the 40 one the latter had to basically completely disappear prior to 50 launch and the last transition being hit by excessive post crypto inventory issues also played into this idea of completely drying the previous gen out of the channel.

So now with zero 40 series cards available for a couple of months they have a pent up demand coupled with your usual launch demand going in tandem making any attempts at filling the channel essentially fruitless.

This will pass eventually but whoever thought that this was a good idea is weird.
 
DavidGraham said:
This situation is unprecedented for NVIDIA, they stopped making RTX 40 cards 6 months ago (suggesting they intended to launch RTX 50 earlier), but they made very little RTX 50 cards, and of those little there were cards with missing ROPs (suggesting a manufacturing issue). They effectively have absolutely no cards to sell for ~3 months now. It's the first time I have seen this happen.

They obviously delayed the launch of RTX 50 by 3 months, but still couldn't supply enough quantities after launching late, even the laptop launch was delayed, which is unprecedented because NVIDIA is uncontested in laptops (they have ~90% laptop marketshare, and AMD will not even make RDNA4 laptop versions). Something must have definitely gone wrong with either the supply/manufacturing process, or their whole supply of wafers went straight into AI, or it's a combination of both possibilities. This situation is not normal.
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It's completely bonkers. Price/perf comparisons and comparing generational gains are an academic excercise when a normal person can't buy a GPU at all for any price for months on end. If you get very lucky you'll find one for a tremendous markup, probably from an untrustworthy seller. I was complaining about this 3 months ago, it's hardly gotten better in that time, and it's unclear when/if it will. I'm really glad I don't need a graphics card. And I don't know what is the purpose of reviews in this context.
 
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I feel like the missing ROPs GPUs, while newsworthy, aren't a major contributor to supply at this time.
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Yeah I think they are very low percentage indeed.

We practically have multiple options, either NVIDIA used all of their wafer allocation to produce B200/B300 chips and stockpiled them to package them later (because they are expecting a massive demand), or NVIDIA got hit with a manufacturing issue and had to burn/respin lots of consumer Blackwell chips (the missing ROPs is an indication of this), but a problem of this scale would have leaked to the press long time ago, which is why I don't think this happened at all, we didn't even get a slight hint that there was a problem, but who knows, maybe it happened and the info will surface eventually.
 
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DegustatoR said:
I wonder if the main reason is Nvidia being afraid that with what 50 series are bringing over the 40 one the latter had to basically completely disappear prior to 50 launch and the last transition being hit by excessive post crypto inventory issues also played into this idea of completely drying the previous gen out of the channel.

So now with zero 40 series cards available for a couple of months they have a pent up demand coupled with your usual launch demand going in tandem making any attempts at filling the channel essentially fruitless.

This will pass eventually but whoever thought that this was a good idea is weird.
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I think they probably didn't know the production of 50 series would be so bad. It's important to understand that both 40 series and 50 series utilize basically the same process node and thus very likely the same fab capacity. So if all goes well, it's should be ok to stop production of 40 series chips at same time as starting the production of 50 series chips.

However, some disruptions in production somehow caused the production of 50 series to be serverely affected. Some said it's the problem with server Blackwell chips, which thus required NVIDIA to allocate all available capacities to manufacture server chips, but I don't think that's the main reason. This seems more likely that a disruption in production pipeline, thus causing problems in supply of both 40 series and 50 series chips. This leads to another theory on the possibility of an earthquake early this year causing some disruptions in some TSMC's fabs (see https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/3204 ). Since chip production of an advanced process node now takes up to 3 months, it's possible that many of the 40 and 50 series chips nearly the end of the production line were destroyed during the earthquake. Another supporting evidence for this theory is that even AMD is facing supply problems with their 9070 series chips, which was supposed to be delayed and in ample supply.

If that's the case we should see more chips available in late April, as the chips starting production after the earthquake should be out of the production line.
 
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