Current Generation Games Analysis Technical Discussion [2023] [XBSX|S, PS5, PC]
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Flappy Pannus
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No disaster, but often ~80% GPU usage on a 3070TI with a 5900X, so looks to be another title that's limited by a few threads.
Silent_Buddha
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Not much. It's mostly the increased graphical complexity of modern games.
The RPG elements being "shoved" into the vast majority of AAA games is just a tiny fraction of what RPGs in the 90's and early 2000's had. So it's laughable to blame it on that.
Sure, it adds to the camera work needed if you want specialized face to face interactions, but again, this is due to the increased graphical complexity, not the RPG elements themselves.
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Those one-off spikes on afterburner frametimes look way better than on my 12700K with 3600Mhz DDR4 where it's 2-3s combined stutter. Nevermind the average is close to 50% higher.
The game is on PCIE4 nvme, so those prolonged stutters can't be blamed on storage either.
I strongly disagree that tools have not increased with the scope of games. In fact, this is demonstrably false.
Secondly, none of what you’ve said excuses the poor performance that is seen in Jedi Survivor. Again, developers need to take personal accountability for their work. No one but the devs decided the scope for their games. They chose their engine, chose their scope, chose their technical targets, etc. You can’t blame a publisher for biting off more than you can chew. They knew their project timeline and consciously made the decisions that has brought them to where they are today. You can’t hide under the excuse of crunch crunch crunch. Every time, there’s one excuse or another. It’s just unprofessional as far as I’m concerned.
I've seen some posts to indicate that the game may be quite severely memory bandwidth bound, memory latency bound, or both.
That's a common culprit when both CPU *and* GPU utilization seem low - CPU can't feed the GPU fast enough, and memory can't feed the CPU fast enough, so both end up idling a lot.
I'm really hoping someone does a GPU PCIe bus and system memory bandwidth/latency scaling analysis soon.
That could still be a CPU issue though. If too few CPU threads are doing work and submitting memory requests the memory bus may be underutilized. Faster memory can help a little but won't solve the underlying problem.
@T2098 Yah with games starting to list 32GB of RAM as recommended, I'm a little worried about my own setup because adding another 16GB of RAM is actually a huge hit to latency and bandwidth because I have to lower both timings and memory clock. I suspect that performance would actually be worse most games, even ones that recommend 32GB for me. Most people benchmarking games don't actually state their memory setup, and XMP settings can vary a lot. I don't think many people pay attention to memory.
Destiny 1 and Killzone Fall Shadow Fall look like a generational leap compared to this
Dead on launch. An incredible amount of nothing to do with poor combat design. There’s no mood, there’s no feel, art is hurting.
Really strange they would release in this way.
That shotgun reload…. Goodness. That was painful to watch. Everything from animation, to walking, to shooting, to aiming. It’s all so indie.
Graphically, it's a lot more dense than Destiny or even Halo, though Halo Infinite is getting fairly dense. I think you're forgetting how FPS level design looks in both Destiny and Halo, huge open spaces, easy identification etc.
The problem isn't that it's ugly and doesn't have all this amazing detail. The challenge is that the combat just looks boring, I'd rather just Destiny. Because I see these 2 titles as being largely the same, except Destiny does it better and it's free to play.
You compare across similar gametypes (I'd say this is Halo-esque in level design) and Halo actually looks remarkably good and runs remarkably well. I gotta hand it to them, perhaps I was too harsh on them.
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With those kind of visuals, it would have been a travesty to perform badly
I have a ryzen 5600x with 16GB of DDR4 3600 CL14 fairly well tuned. My 3080 was basically sitting at 50% usage. Played for about an hour and a bit, and both me and my friend were getting tons of frame drops. I could see mine dropping down below 40 fps at times. 1440p epic settings. It was inconsistent. Some areas if I set things to low it would raise my max fps, but I'd still get areas where fps was quite low. Tried setting shadows, foliage and view distance to low, because I figured they'd have the most cpu impact, but I'd still get drops that made it confusing to figure out. I think there's maybe some memory leaking because it got worse the longer we played.
Edit: There's also just a lot of bugs, especially in animation. If someone is super interested in playing, I'd recommend they wait for a number of patches.
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It's visually boring with uninspiring gameplay, but hey, it ain't 'Life of Black Tiger' type of bad.
Watched one the reviews and guy was playing on 2080ti and in later sections of game performance dropped to single digits.
The game needed to be delayed again but I am not sure something can save it without a very long development time and redo all the AI for example.
September is going to be a hell of month for both Xbox and PlayStation.
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