Yoshida confirms SCE working on new hardware
- Thread starter Versatil
- Start date
- Status
After this year's E3 I can't make a joke about Valve...
I can't see a reason why any dev would want that! In fact I'd hope devs would say we're familiar with Cell now so please give us more of the same.
I wonder what sort of comments they'd make ref dev tools though.
I can't see a reason why any dev would want that! In fact I'd hope devs would say we're familiar with Cell now so please give us more of the same.
I wonder what sort of comments they'd make ref dev tools though.
I think there was some piece from a Japanese site indicating that Sony was currently thinking of taking Cell and turning it into a more standard and higher performing standard multicore PPC processor with the 8/7 SPUs still tacked on for compatibility's sake.
It was hard to read the translation, though, and who knows how much Goto actually knew about what he was saying.
It was hard to read the translation, though, and who knows how much Goto actually knew about what he was saying.
Love_In_Rio
Veteran
What about a multicore cpu in which each core is a more evolved MIPS R5900 emotion engine CPU + SPU instead of the vector units ?. It would be far stronger in general code than Cell and still capable in floating poing processing as well as being backwards compatible...
I base on the rumour about the new cpu being a multicore one being based on the emotion engine:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/05/27/larrabee-alive-and-well/
I base on the rumour about the new cpu being a multicore one being based on the emotion engine:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/05/27/larrabee-alive-and-well/
I can't believe that. PSP2 is probably much further along than 'talking to devs'. This should be PS4, and this kind of comment is suggesting new console hardware is at least 2-3 years off. The PSP2 will either appear next year, or never.
MIPS isn't backwards compatible with the PPU, and I imagine bringing MIPS up to modern standards would be far more expensive than going with an evolved PowerPC/Cell design.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture, the last new standalone MIPS processor came out in 2003. MIPS is still present in embedded cores, but it'd be a weirdly far stretch from what the PS3 is now.
Edit: Of course, the PSP is based on MIPS cores with embedded function acceleration modules added as is the PS2, so Sony definitely has the experience with CPU development around a MIPS core, but it still seems like a weird choice at the present.
Last edited by a moderator:
Love_In_Rio
Veteran
But there is already a MIPS emulator running in the PS3 PPC processor... It would be the contrary: write a PPC emulator in a MIPS 4 Ghz ( for example ) processor...
About MIPS not being evolved since 2003 or less let´s not forget that larrabee was using 1990´s Pentium 1 as general code processor...
IMHO Sony and Toshiba have always made the most poweful per transistor and clock CPUs ( emotion engine had with the two vector units 10 million transistors! ). They only have now to make an easier to program design.
Fair point, and I know there is a thread devoted to the Emotion Engine Redux question.. I'll make my reply there.
The last MIPS Architectures are 74K and 1004K, both released around 2008-2009, though MIPS dint manufacture and sell CPUs in silicon since 2003 doesnt mean development stood still. The 74K even is an OoO CPU, sitting roughly between the ARM Cortex A8 and A9 in performance, and thats all synthesize-able silicon without much optimizations.
But I dont see a chance of getting a MIPS-CPU in a Cell2-Processor, the PowerPC achitecture is very deeply entangled within Cell so that you cant just "emulate" a single element of it and expect good hardware compatibility.
I believe we would`ve heard something about it by now if it were to be released next year. Its coming at the earliest at Christmas 2011 IMHO, but I dont believe it will launch before 2012.
If you mean by "appear" that we will be bombarded with marketing next year then I agree.
What are you talking about?
The MIPS CPU in the EE was absolutely TERRIBLE at general code execution. It was by far the weakest point of the whole PS2, it didn't even have any L2 cache for chrissakes... Not to mention it's absolutely ancient tech by now. Basing anything on it that won't be released until half a human generation has passed after PS2's launch would be ludicrous.
Also, there'd be no advantage in switching to MIPS, they're a 2-bit player these days, their days of glory are far beyond them. The best MIPS can hope to do is ending up in embedded hardware, like logic control systems for machinery, ABS brakes, consumer goods like washing machines or HiFi electronics and so on.
tongue_of_colicab
Veteran
I doubt it. Lots of people say BC is important but is it? I dont think so. People don't buy a new box to play old games. If they already own the previous console they can still play those games. Sure you got to have 2 machines hooked up but really how many people really make a problem out of that? not a lot.
I certainly doubt somebody would not buy a console because of lack of BC. Afterall you buy a new console to play new consoles. If you want to play old games that bad you might as well stick with your old console.
The more games that are networked, though, the more of an ongoing life those games will have. In the case where Sony is realizing ongoing revenue from networked services (Home, MMOs, etc.), the more impetus Sony will have to not kill those streams with a new generation.
- Status
