Sure but all we need to run under XMB is the installer, and once installed I also think you're going to be able to boot Linux from the XMB in a similar way.
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Sure but all we need to run under XMB is the installer, and once installed I also think you're going to be able to boot Linux from the XMB in a similar way.
We'll see, I have my doubts. Just any time I've ever installed a OS, it's been 'on its own', not installing from another OS. Of course, that's not to say it's not possible, but just been my experience.
Well strictly speaking there have been some installs for newer versions of windows that you could start from older versions, and arguably they work in the same way. And of course the Cell has that hypervisor, why not use it? Quite apart from that PS3 games are pretty much their own OS and GUI anyway too.
Quite apart from that PS3 games are pretty much their own OS and GUI anyway too.
They're not, they run as applications under the 'Game OS' (i.e. the one the one with the XMB GUI).
And as I said before, the hypervisor etc. and the potential for simultaneous OSes may be there, but I'm not sure how likely it is that'd be used day one.
But surely it would be much preferable to 'dual boot'? And if they're going to want to use Hypervisor for security purposes anyway ...
And to think some individuals called Linux for the PS3 "vaporware"....
Shame... shame... shame.......
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/2006/2006-10-17.shtml
Terra Soft to Provide Linux for the Sony PLAYSTATION®3.
LOVELAND, Colorado - 17 October 2006 - Terra Soft is proud to announce Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PLAYSTATION®3 from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI).
Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Terra Soft's next generation Linux operating system for Power will support PLAYSTATION 3, providing an end-user experience far surpassing previous versions. Through an aggressive, rapid co-development project conducted by Carsten Haitzler and the Enlightenment development team, Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, built upon Fedora Core 5, now integrates the next generation "E17" desktop in order to provide an unprecedented level of function and interface aesthetic. Designed for users of all ages and all levels of experience, Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 is Terra Soft's most advanced distribution to date.
"We have worked closely with the energetic, determined E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered desktop and a personal environment that is both familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system," states Cesar Delgado, System Administrator for Terra Soft.
Owen Stampflee, Lead Software Engineer of Terra Soft Solutions expresses, "From the days of the Commodore 64 to modern overclocked and water cooled home computers, a battle has raged between dedicated game boxes and home computers for highest quality game play. PLAYSTATION 3 provides an industry first exceptional Linux OS experience ... and Terra Soft the first Linux OS. I am proud to have played a part in this development."
Under basic agreement with SCEI, Terra Soft was granted a unique opportunity to develop and bring to market a complete Linux OS for the Sony PLAYSTATION 3. In development of Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Terra Soft integrated and enhanced code from Barcelona Supercomputing Center, Sony Group, and Fedora in order to offer the following:
- kernel 2.6.16
- gcc 3.4.4 and glibc 2.4
- Cell SDK 1.1
- OpenOffice.org 2.0.2
- FireFox 1.5.0 and Thunderbird 1.5.0
- Nautilus 2.1.4
... and a suite of Personal Accessories, Development Tools; Sound & Video, Internet, and Networking applications.
A single-click installer enables absolutely anyone to install without instruction. Post-install, the default suite of applications presents an intuitive, self-guided means of exploring Linux without the confusion of multiple applications in the same family. An Advanced installer mode enables selection from greater than fifteen hundred packages, as is expected from a complete Linux distribution.
PLAYSTATION 3 is an advanced computer system designed to provide next generation computer entertainment contents in the home, incorporating the state-of-the-art Cell microprocessor with super computer like power.
As a guest of IBM at the annual SC2006 tradeshow, Nov 13-16, Tampa, Florida, Terra Soft will showcase Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Y-HPC v2.0 beta, and Y-Bio v1.1. Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PLAYSTATION 3 will be made available through YDL.net Enhanced accounts, through the Terra Soft on-line Store, retailers, and public mirrors world-wide.
About Terra Soft Solutions, Inc.
As the recognized leader in Linux for Power since 1999, Terra Soft provides turn-key integrated solutions built upon IBM and Mercury systems, board support packages for Power OEMs, and develops cross-architecture Linux applications for high performance computing. As an IBM Business Partner, Mercury and Apple VAR, Terra Soft provides turnkey HPC systems. Terra Soft develops Yellow Dog Linux, an historic 32/64-bit Linux OS for the Power architecture and first to market with support for the Cell processor; the Y-HPC cluster construction; and Y-Bio, a cross-architecture gene sequence analysis suite for both workstations and clusters.
For more information, visit www.terrasoftsolutions.com
PLAYSTATION is a registered trademark of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Power is a trademark of IBM. YDL, Y-HPC, and Y-Bio are trademarks of Terra Soft Solutions. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Additional product and company names mentioned may be trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective holders.
Shame... shame... shame.......
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/2006/2006-10-17.shtml
Terra Soft to Provide Linux for the Sony PLAYSTATION®3.
LOVELAND, Colorado - 17 October 2006 - Terra Soft is proud to announce Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PLAYSTATION®3 from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI).
Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Terra Soft's next generation Linux operating system for Power will support PLAYSTATION 3, providing an end-user experience far surpassing previous versions. Through an aggressive, rapid co-development project conducted by Carsten Haitzler and the Enlightenment development team, Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, built upon Fedora Core 5, now integrates the next generation "E17" desktop in order to provide an unprecedented level of function and interface aesthetic. Designed for users of all ages and all levels of experience, Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 is Terra Soft's most advanced distribution to date.
"We have worked closely with the energetic, determined E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered desktop and a personal environment that is both familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system," states Cesar Delgado, System Administrator for Terra Soft.
Owen Stampflee, Lead Software Engineer of Terra Soft Solutions expresses, "From the days of the Commodore 64 to modern overclocked and water cooled home computers, a battle has raged between dedicated game boxes and home computers for highest quality game play. PLAYSTATION 3 provides an industry first exceptional Linux OS experience ... and Terra Soft the first Linux OS. I am proud to have played a part in this development."
Under basic agreement with SCEI, Terra Soft was granted a unique opportunity to develop and bring to market a complete Linux OS for the Sony PLAYSTATION 3. In development of Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Terra Soft integrated and enhanced code from Barcelona Supercomputing Center, Sony Group, and Fedora in order to offer the following:
- kernel 2.6.16
- gcc 3.4.4 and glibc 2.4
- Cell SDK 1.1
- OpenOffice.org 2.0.2
- FireFox 1.5.0 and Thunderbird 1.5.0
- Nautilus 2.1.4
... and a suite of Personal Accessories, Development Tools; Sound & Video, Internet, and Networking applications.
A single-click installer enables absolutely anyone to install without instruction. Post-install, the default suite of applications presents an intuitive, self-guided means of exploring Linux without the confusion of multiple applications in the same family. An Advanced installer mode enables selection from greater than fifteen hundred packages, as is expected from a complete Linux distribution.
PLAYSTATION 3 is an advanced computer system designed to provide next generation computer entertainment contents in the home, incorporating the state-of-the-art Cell microprocessor with super computer like power.
As a guest of IBM at the annual SC2006 tradeshow, Nov 13-16, Tampa, Florida, Terra Soft will showcase Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Y-HPC v2.0 beta, and Y-Bio v1.1. Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PLAYSTATION 3 will be made available through YDL.net Enhanced accounts, through the Terra Soft on-line Store, retailers, and public mirrors world-wide.
About Terra Soft Solutions, Inc.
As the recognized leader in Linux for Power since 1999, Terra Soft provides turn-key integrated solutions built upon IBM and Mercury systems, board support packages for Power OEMs, and develops cross-architecture Linux applications for high performance computing. As an IBM Business Partner, Mercury and Apple VAR, Terra Soft provides turnkey HPC systems. Terra Soft develops Yellow Dog Linux, an historic 32/64-bit Linux OS for the Power architecture and first to market with support for the Cell processor; the Y-HPC cluster construction; and Y-Bio, a cross-architecture gene sequence analysis suite for both workstations and clusters.
For more information, visit www.terrasoftsolutions.com
PLAYSTATION is a registered trademark of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Power is a trademark of IBM. YDL, Y-HPC, and Y-Bio are trademarks of Terra Soft Solutions. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Additional product and company names mentioned may be trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective holders.
Running as a layer should be fine - at least that was my thought as to what would happen originally anyway, so no surprises there. Honestly Cell is perfectly suited for a 'sandboxed' evironment, so for security reasons alone this makes perfect sense. This whole YDL news is awesome by the way - it's finally all coming together.
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You could dual boot and have the OS on another partition without a hypervisor. It might be preferable to have the hypervisor involved, but not strictly necessary. I just have my doubts that it'll be involved like that so early, and even if it was, it doesn't mean the xmb would necessarily expose the ability to hop into Linux via the XMB, with the XMB still running in the background. I think it'll be a case that you select which you want to run, in some way, on boot-up.
Now, when will Sony post a page about this on Playstation.com or release their own press release? This is major news and it seems downright silly for them not to be hyping this up!
Perhaps their just scared that instead of just chaos happening at launch from the shortage of units this news could bring about the end of civilization.
Perhaps their just scared that instead of just chaos happening at launch from the shortage of units this news could bring about the end of civilization.
Very late to the party!
Titanio : Running Linux from XMB makes a lot of sense. KK has spoken of Linux as an application, not an OS, running on top of the hypervisor. I expect XMB to be the front end to the PS3 OS and Linux to be mounted as an application. This is both technically feasible and hinted at, and I can't see any other user-friendly alternative. How else would you access Linux if PS3 always boots into XMB? Have a menu to choose XMB mode or Linux mode? That'd be awkward. In many cases I expect 90% of the time the user would want to boot into one or other - geeks into Linux and mainstream into XMB, so having to select which is a faf. And auto booting into game or movie mode would need the PS3 OS to be running, plus having the option to boot to Linux makes no sense if you can't be sure Linux is present!
On the other hand, for as long as I can recall, YDL has pretty much been the defacto Linux distribution on PPC. Does Ubuntu even offer a PPC port?
I am fairly certain this is not correct; You are able to mount the DVD drive under PS2-linux AFAIK. I'm fairly certain I did that at least once to copy some of the RPM packages I had not installed from the beginning. Even if not, what's stopping from just mounting a Windows drive on another computer through network?
I've been using Linux (various distros, including PS2linux) for over a year extensively now and never needed any DVD drive. All you need for additional software is a networkcard, internet access and firefox or lynx.
You might be able to mount PS2 discs, but I don't remember ever doing so outside of the install. I always downloaded packages over the net or transfered them across my lan through sftp.
You might be able to download and run it from the XMB interface, as is the case with PSP demos.
Yes... running Linux apps directly from XMB (instead of launching the entire Linux environment from XMB). I am hoping it's not a dual boot environment.
Even if the XMB OS is derived from some embedded Linux kernel, there are too many dependencies to make this possible. Any X11-based application would require an X server, any Gnome app would require Gnome on top of that, etc.
How are you going to choose between running Linux and, say, a game, if you don't select it from the XMB? It's almost guaranteed that you'll run Linux like any other app, from the XMB.
This list is very impressive for those not familiar with Linux, but with one exception, these are all just standard parts of a Linux system. That one exception is the Cell SDK 1.1, and I'd sure like to know exactly what's in that. That could be interesting. And although there is nothing new about the window manager Enlightenment 1.7, the fact that it is mentioned so prominently seems to imply that it's working well on the PS3, which implies that X Windows is working, which implies that there is a working X Windows server. That's good, but it could be closed source, and it doesn't necessarily mean that home programmers can call up graphics primitives.
--Greg
Again, why would they deviate from what's already been done with Linux on the PS2?
