Yamauchi on the PS3: "...beginning of a new world..."

[AlNom]

well, in all fairness the entire quotation is:

"The PlayStation 3 is the first piece of hardware allowing photo-realistic computer graphics, and is the first game hardware that can perform calculations for physics simulation to the level of our satisfaction

Basically, what he is really saying is that it's the first hardware that they are working on that will be able to do what they want. There's no need to bring the 360 into discussion.

 

[London Geezer]

If you are going to be accurate, then Yamauchi IS ignorant.

Being ignorant means you haven't learned something, or don't know something. It's does not mean he is stupid.


Now, he's made claims that Sony is the first system that can achive a certain degree of of graphics realism. However, he is a Sony employee, and as such, has not had direct access to Xbox 360 hardware (I doubt he's considering PC hardware either). Therefore, he really doesn't know if the PS3 is the first or not, and his comments are made in ignorance.

The troll said Yamauchi is ignorant about what photorealism is. Quite different and obviously not true seen how GT3 was the first game to get close to this new "movement" (bit like New Age).

Him saying that PS3 is "the only platform to blah blah blah" is not "ignorance". He's paid by Sony, he just HAS to say that. I'm sure he knows he could get "photorealistic" results from X360 too, or a PC for that matters.

 

[mckmas8808]

well, in all fairness the entire quotation is:



Basically, what he is really saying is that it's the first hardware that they are working on that will be able to do what they want. There's no need to bring the 360 into discussion.

QFT. Some people just don't understand where the man is coming from.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

well, in all fairness the entire quotation is:
Quote:
"The PlayStation 3 is the first piece of hardware allowing photo-realistic computer graphics, and is the first game hardware that can perform calculations for physics simulation to the level of our satisfaction
Basically, what he is really saying is that it's the first hardware that they are working on that will be able to do what they want. There's no need to bring the 360 into discussion.

Actually there's a comma there that makes a lot of difference seperating the clauses. But then this is a translation so that meaning of the comma might not be what was present in the original Japanese. So really, everyone's dissecting an ambiguous statement as is the norm trying to get more info out of it then ever was intended.

 

[Powderkeg]

Actually there's a comma there that makes a lot of difference seperating the clauses. But then this is a translation so that meaning of the comma might not be what was present in the original Japanese. So really, everyone's dissecting an ambiguous statement as is the norm trying to get more info out of it then ever was intended.

I wouldn't look for info about the PS3 from him anyways. I'm much more interested in info about GT5, but he didn't give any of that.

 

[expletive]

What's wrong with saying it will be a movement? That is his opinion. If Steve Jobs in 1999 would have said Ipods will be more than just a mp3 player, but a movement he would have been right.

So again I ask what's wrong with his belief?

It was more of a follow-up to Alpha's comment on how all these talking-head developers are looking for new ways to extol the various consoles, which IMO is apointless exercise.

Cliff B = "A beast"
Itagaki = "<insert barely sensical comment here>"
Yamauichi = "a movement"

Alpha said it best with "It's just a new damn console. To hell with the hyperbole. Show me a true GT5."

Make the game. Show the game. Sell the game. Play the game. Let us decide if its a movment.

In the USA we associate major social upheaval and change with the word 'movment'

"The women's rights movement"
"African American freedom Movement"
"The anti-vietnam movement"
"THE NEXT GEN CONSOLE MOVEMENT?"

Just doesnt fit IMO, maybe somethign gets lost in the translation.

EDIT:And to fully respond to your Jobs comment; The iPod was NOT the "movement." Portable digital music was the "movment". The ipod is just one of many devices that enable consumers to participate in the new technology. ANd thats all it is, a new technology that fills a need which consumers adopt. By your statement the CD, the DVD, the VCR were all 'movements' as well.

J

 

[_phil_]

If you are going to claim your hardware is the first to do something, isn't the achievements of your competition be factored into that statement?

No way. except if you want to ear that in what he said.That's called Cognitive dissonance

 

[mckmas8808]

EDIT:And to fully respond to your Jobs comment; The iPod was NOT the "movement." Portable digital music was the "movment". The ipod is just one of many devices that enable consumers to participate in the new technology. ANd thats all it is, a new technology that fills a need which consumers adopt. By your statement the CD, the DVD, the VCR were all 'movements' as well.

J

Yes I think all those were "movements" in their own right. Billions of dollars made of these mediums. I would consider that a technological movement. I'm sure he was not comparing the Playstation movement to the Civil Rights movement that Martin Luther King help promote. He was speaking technologically.

 

[expletive]

Yes I think all those were "movements" in their own right. Billions of dollars made of these mediums. I would consider that a technological movement. I'm sure he was not comparing the Playstation movement to the Civil Rights movement that Martin Luther King help promote. He was speaking technologically.

I think we just interpret it differently. I read it as if he was comparing game console technology to major social or artistic 'shifts' in civilization/society. Which if he was, i stand by comment comment that its a bit much.

I probably came to this conclusion because I have never considered widespread technology adoption as a 'movement' but if you do, i can see where his comparison makes sense, but i think it goes for console gaming in general.

Since a technology movement, is widespread cultural acceptance (by your definition?), i'm not sure that better graphics can constitute a movement. Honestly, i think something like the Arcade games on XBL that are attempting to appeal to a much wider audience/demographic (mom, grandma, are you listening?) would be much more suited to create a 'movement' in console gaming? Does that make sense?

J

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

Hehe, did trip hawkins really say that?

With all the hyperbole being used this round i wonder if they'll have any left for the NEXT gen.

A 'movement' though? That's a bit rich...

J

It's almost embarassing to read:

May 1, 2000 - By his praise of Sony's PlayStation 2 as "...historic, a mass-market appliance that fundamentally changes society in the way the printing press did," we pretty well assumed that that Trip Hawkins and his company 3DO would do a few games for the system. After all, only a true Master of Irony would call a game system "A new canvas for humanity that takes us back to our nature" and then skip development on it.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/078/078771p1.html

 

[London Geezer]

Urgh.... *cringe*
These people actually say those things in public...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think secretly they have a competition who can create the most absurd and outlandish claims. It's the only logical explanation. I mean, they can't really believe this junk they spout! Can they?

 

[Thegameman]

All of this companys do the same,the only one i dare to pick out is Nintendo which never macke this kind of comments,Sony and MS do them all the time is like one is trying to out PR the other every single minute,and it also show that they are more than capable of playing lies and sh** to their onw user base.


I just hope for the day when some goverment agency take accion,and ask them that if they say Toy Story graphics they do it or be penalize in big $$$$$$ for making sucker out of people.

 

[3roxor]

All of this companys do the same,the only one i dare to pick out is Nintendo which never macke this kind of comments,Sony and MS do them all the time is like one is trying to out PR the other every single minute,and it also show that they are more than capable of playing lies and sh** to their onw user base.


I just hope for the day when some goverment agency take accion,and ask them that if they say Toy Story graphics they do it or be penalize in big $$$$$$ for making sucker out of people.

But lot's of "pr" about Cell (Ps3) have been made by devs and NOT Sony themselves. Thats what makes it interesting and promising.

 

[Thegameman]

But lot's of "pr" about Cell (Ps3) have been made by devs and NOT Sony themselves. Thats what makes it interesting and promising.

Is a much better way to messure,cuz many people feal better,when they hear it from a dev or a 3rd partie than from MS or Sony.


But some 3rd partie can't be trusted either cuz they are to close to the company,AKA Tecmo and Konamy which put some funny things about Cell on MGS4 video..


Other companys that are not so close can be more trusted.

Yep but i agree with what you say.

 

[London Geezer]

PR is still PR.

I couldn't care less if a developer hypes up Cell (or anything else, like Xenos) saying that "NOW WE CAN REALLY DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO" (which by the way they ALWAYS say, everytime a new console comes out).

I want to SEE what they can do with it. Easy to talk, i'm a facts man. Less talking more action.

 

[3roxor]

PR is still PR.

I couldn't care less if a developer hypes up Cell saying that "NOW WE CAN REALLY DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO" (which by the way they ALWAYS say, everytime a new console comes out).

I want to SEE what they can do with it. Easy to talk, i'm a facts man. Less talking more action.

I agree with that too but for a dev saying: "allowing photo-realistic computer graphics" is totally shooting himself in the foot..unless there is some truth in it.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

PR is still PR.

I couldn't care less if a developer hypes up Cell (or anything else, like Xenos) saying that "NOW WE CAN REALLY DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO" (which by the way they ALWAYS say, everytime a new console comes out).

Indeed, console PR is as meaningless as washing powder adverts. "New improved super Ariel Liquitaball removes even dried on stains..." Only that's what they were claiming 20 years ago with their original powder. And to this day none of them work as well as they claim Rather than telling me you can now do realtime photorealstic super 'better-than-life' quality simulations, show me the goods and let me judge for myself, thank you very much.

 

[London Geezer]

Well the thing is that for racing games it's much easier than other types of games to get the photorealistic look.

Some people were already fooled by GT3 on PS2.

PGR3 is pretty damn good looking and close to "photorealism".

Cars and city environments are relatively "easy" Get the shape right (and today we have enough polygon pushing power to get the shapes quite right), get the surfaces right (and it's just a matter of good reflections and other aspects) and off you go...

It's human animation and organic stuff that's the real problem.

Yamauchi can get much closer to photorealism than, say, Kojima can. As good as MGS4/5 will look, getting a photorealistic look when human figures are involved is just nearly impossible with today's hardware.

 

[Bad_Boy]

to be fair, i think gt3/gt4 are two of the most photorealistic games on the current gen consoles to date.

it will be amazing to see what he does with the next gen hardware.