I think we would like to see a situation where GTA6 is also available on Game Pass Day1. It is possible that MS will make such a deal.
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Nah. It would never happen. They could allow it on streaming platforms. That would already be a massive win.
I did say the bigger titles.
You bring up valid arguments, and you're right wrt how strong the BC is on Xbox, thats a strong point that Sony and Nintendo dont have at the moment. But how will that work on an Xbox branded OEM device like the upcoming ASUS Xbox handheld? Will all your previous titles purchased through Xbox be available locally on the machine? Or only available on a Series X and or cloud gaming service? Also what happens if Xbox goes full OEM Xbox route how would that work with their BC strategy. As you're aware I have quite a no. of titles I have purchased on my Xbox and want to know.
This is what I'm saying!!
1.) You're missing my point again and focusing on this super Gamepass user that hasnt provided the necessary growth for Xbox. To the point they had to put their games onto Playstation.
2.) Playstation offers great deals on game purchases as well as now has a comparable subscription service to Gamepass on top of exclusives
3.) Again you're talking about everyone moving to PC but does PC get PS exclusives day and date or is it even guaranteed to have them or is it a case by case basis? I think you're confusing Xbox's non exclusivity with Playstation's strategic investment in the PC ecosystem. You're jumping into a false equivalence there
4.) There is only one GTA 6 calibre game, you asked for what kinds of games and I gave you exclusive titles that all launched and will still launch day and date exclusively on Playstation and not on Xbox. Some of which later on get onto PC
I think you should read before responding before referring to some people as fools. I clearly stated that Playstation plus has very good deals(discounts) on full game purchases including those from Xbox, a similar subscription service to Gamepass with several new games added regularly, and on top a myriad of exclusives you can only get on Playstation day and date(Yes you can get some of the titles on PC from between 3 months -4 years later). I have a significant library on Xbox hw, but I dont know whether Xbox hw as we know it today with the licensing for older games is going to remain the same moving forward. Also Gamepass is not a sticky service. I cancelled my ultimate subscription when they hiked prices and now keep regular Gamepass for online play.
1) There's a lot to unpack here on this one, but, no, without jumping into a rabbit hole of other discussions, Xbox would have moved their exclusives to playstation even if they were dominant. It's no longer the issue they are trying to solve for. The vast majority of hgh performance console purchsers are between late 20s to late 30s and mid 40s. By the time PS6 is launched I'll be nearly 50. There's a reason why the Digital Foundry crew is so old, because no one else cares about high performance gaming on consoles. Kids and teenagers aren't purchasing consoles, and neither are those who are 55 plus. What you're seeing here is a big boom of console purchasers from the 80s-2000s, that which that gaming group grew up with and continues to purchase for. Though companies outlive people all the time, the main point is to attract the younger audience into gaming, and they've all predominantly on mobile devices with massive connections to perhaps graphics I could have found in the late 90s.
Today, both Minecraft and Roblox and Fortnite rule supreme, user generated content games rule supreme. free to play games all rule supreme, why would you pay for anything at all, versus it being free? There are millions of free experiences on UGC games and that is what our children are growing up with.
Xbox's moves is meant to spread to find the largest audience possible, locking them to a walled garden is a very traditional way of seeing the market and the console market will continue to shrink if this is all the console industry amounts to.
2) PS does not offer anything close to Game Pass Ultimate, we've discussed this before. There is a major lack of day 1 releases on Playstation services from both 1st and 3rd party releases.
3) The entire list you provided me is on PC today sans GT7. And there are more than favourable substitutes and setups on PC for simulation racing. I've not confusing anything here, Playstation has been reducing the time to deploy their first party titles on PC to the point that it won't be long for them to have simultaneous release. I largely suspect by the time this generation is over in 2028, they would have day 1 releases on PC for sure. This is an issue with tooling, which Xbox hardware kits deploy very well on a variety of platform, and this isn't a case for Playstation. It's not an issue of desire, there is a reason why Sony bought up teams purely for porting.
4) I think the point here is clear to everyone reading. This isn't about Sony' being a superior platform. This is just about you, a middle aged man, where you have teh nostalgia, the income and being actively marketed to, to feel as though Playstation titles and platform is a better place for you. That's not the majority of Xbox gamers. The latter being, what I'm debating here. I have no problem with you making that call. Hell I bought a PS5 at launch and XSX, and in the end I sold them both. But I am I still in the xbox ecosystem, and despite having access to PS titles on Steam, I haven't purchased any of them. And funnily enough, the vast majority of PC gamers would agree with me. 1st party PS exclusives (and the ones you listed are the some of the biggest ones) are selling poorly on PC.
But Xbox titles are selling well on platforms outside of Xbox. Funnily enough, depsite how aged the Xbox ones are, they're selling quite well on PS. That actually says a lot more about income than it does about preference. People who can afford Playstation move to playstation. Because they can afford to pay and unfortunately that's limited to a specific age group who likely has loads of money. This will become increasingly obvious when Playstation moves to digital only. The days of physical games are on it's way out for playstation. You can't shrink to mobile gaming on disc. And their newer consoles don't have drives attached to them. And then when channels realize they can't profit from physical games, they too will start dropping your product like they have Xbox.
I finished my HZD, TLOU, Demon Souls, Spider Man, and none of these titles had any real effect on me - though Demon Souls was clearly the best of the bunch. I never once thought, yea, this is what console gaming is about, I'm going to keep investing in PS ecosystem. People may do it out of habit or loyalty, but they can largely do it because they have the dispsable income to. Console gaming is not like what we had as a child where consoles were replacing our arcades and pinball machines, and it became the place to get all new experiences in gaming. Console are just a place to play to play games that can be largely everywhere now. Xbox is moving in a direction to try to attract a wider audience to its games and it's platform. That requires you to release your games everywhere; and that will include moving to other OEM hardware because, let's be real, MS sucks at moving hardware through channels outside of US.
Its no wonder why everythign as of late has been 'remakes' on Sony's ecosystem. They are trying to get the younger audience attached to these games that we grew up playing. It's a different strategy to try to solve the same problem. Honestly speaking, I don't think it's working that well. Spiderman is their best bet to getting younger audiences and I'm pretty confident that will trail off soon as well, it already has been.
The only console that is in a position to survive and win all of this, is Nintendo. Because they have the younger audience from the get go, and now all the 3rd party games are going to NSW2. So they have a console that captures the entire spectrum of audience from young to old. Provided Nintendo is able to keep it's focus on children, the 3rd party offerings would be sufficient to fill in the rest of the demographics. They are operating like the PS1-2 era.
And that's just not what the PS5 era is. The PS5 era output is just dismal. While you may feel as though Xbox is sacking their 30+ year old customer base in attempts to cast a wider net. I don't know for sure if it's successful yet, but I do see an attempt at trying to do something about it. PS5 has largely been picking up the people leaving Xbox. That's not a sign of success either because our age group is on its way to exit.
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This needs to be mentioned here folks, it's brutal what's going on right now before the release of The Elder Scrools 4 Remaster! The resetera and reddit forums are practically aglow with the game thanks to a "rumor" that today is the game's shadow drop release date. LOL I bet this is a new direct marketing form and works in an unprecedented way.
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Day 1 games sells GamePass and GamePass Ultimate subscribers have the equivalent attach rate of 21 1st party games! Nintendo dreams of such an attach rate.
By the time MS brings out new hardware in 2027 they will have gotten $1500 out of me this generation + the Series X I bought. I won't count the other $2k for XSX + GP I bought for my brother and a friend. Both of which went on to keep their GPU subs.
That's why MS are sticking to their GP plan.
We all want new hardware so we can keep shovelling money in their pockets!
Why? Easy (since October):
CoD 6
Indiana Jones
Avowed
Ninja Gaiden 2
South of Midnight
Soon:
Expedition 33
Oblivion Remake
Towerborne
Doom DA
Tony Hawk 3 & 4 Remake
Persona 4 Remake
Ninja Gaiden 4
It's a firehose of great content!
We'd be idiots to leave GP. They're on their way to 6 AAA games and 6 AA games per year + 3rd party on GP.
Again, don't be surprised if MS withholds some of the bigger selling titles from Game Pass on day 1. You can go on about attach rates all day long. What's the equivalent attach rate for PS+ subscribers for the Playstation platform? Which service has more subscribers?
I do expect gamepass subs to overtake ps+ subs within 2 to 3 years if MS is successful in transitioning its hardware to be served from multiple vendors.
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We've both made our points. Let's see what happens. 
Now we can really see how they build Game Pass, how the developments mature and put all their games into the subscription model Day1, with many discounts and extra services for subscribers. They are clearly building the Gaming Netflix. Compare all this with the ever-increasing game prices, I'm sure that soon many people will see and feel how much value GP represents.
Johnny Awesome
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Oblivion Remake was a huge drop. Followed soon by Doom DA in a few weeks. Amazing.
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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is out tomorrow too and day one on Gamepass. It's getting really good reviews. Hopefully it doesn't get lost in the Oblivion / Doom sandwich.
I wish they relased Oblivion before easter so we would have more time to play it before E33.
Johnny Awesome
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Isn't Towerborne right around the corner too?
It's such an amazing problem for GP subscribers to have.
It's such an amazing problem for GP subscribers to have.
cheapchips
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Next Thu for Towerborne, so not much time to finish Oblivion and Clair Obscur!
Johnny Awesome
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MS might put more Day 1 games on GP in 30 days than Sony publishes for sale on PS5 in 12 months this year. lol.
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