With regard to downloadable old games

[Inane_Dork]

I see something good in both, but I was curious as to what y'all thought. I think I favor the latter.



EDIT: Basically, the latter is like MS's system. The former is like Nintendo's system (to my understanding).

 

[Carl B]

Well, I voted for the first, but not because I wouldn't prefer both mind you.

I guess I'm just excited about the possibility of all those old genesis and Turbo Grfx games right now, as well as possibly Xenogears on PS, but I do like what MS is doing too.

 

[DigitalSoul]

Enhancment would be nice, especially for old 3D games. However, I wouldn't mind playing the games like they were when they were first release.......well atleast for 8/16-bit or later 2D games like Castlevania SOTN.

 

[NavNucST3]

Enhancements, slightly more expensive is my vote. The problem with the back-catalog methods, is that you are going to leave out a game that has many vocal supporters.

I mean look at SFII for XBLA it IS coming and still MS is bashed consistently for not having it out "fast enough".

Personally, if someone could deliver me Galaga, Zaxxon, Q-bert (don't laugh), Bump n jump, Yie Ar Kung Fu, Black Belt, Shinobi all in one console (legally) they would have my money promptly.

 

[Type_Raver]

2D games, untouched thanks.
3D games, AA & AF and up the res'.

If it was one OR the other, id rather untouched, which is what i voted.

 

[nintenho]

2D games, untouched thanks.
3D games, AA & AF and up the res'.

If it was one OR the other, id rather untouched, which is what i voted.

Same for me. But I would like it if they at least made it so that those games that did get enhancements had an option to have the framerate brought back down, AA turned off, etcetera since lag really affects how you play those old games. The one enhancement that I want the most is online play for popular games.

 

[NavNucST3]

Same for me. But I would like it if they at least made it so that those games that did get enhancements had an option to have the framerate brought back down, AA turned off, etcetera since lag really affects how you play those old games. The one enhancement that I want the most is online play for popular games.

Having played many older games on my HD sets...not as enjoyable as they were on the old 20"SDTV from a decade+ ago. HD shows so many flaws, thats the primary reason for me wanting the enhancements.

 

[nintenho]

Having played many older games on my HD sets...not as enjoyable as they were on the old 20"SDTV from a decade+ ago. HD shows so many flaws, thats the primary reason for me wanting the enhancements.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. That shouldn't be too hard though since the Rev gpu is obviously emulating the old games and can just render them at a higher resolution like the XBOX360 does with XBOX games.

 

[NavNucST3]

We will see how it all plays out, I actually have never been a huge fan of back catalog games, its always seemed more like a marketing bullet point to me. I think people hear "thousands of downloadable games" before they remember they only really loved 5-10 (if that many) per particular system.

The battle for second console in my house will be interesting, there are some older playstation games that I really liked (I loved Loaded and Re-Loaded), having never owned a PS2, there is that entire catalog. But I also just bought 2 DS's and the whole house loves them, and N will have the back cat of Sega and TurboGFX, not to mention their prior consoles. It will be interesting; for the moment though, I still rank XBLA above that of back cat only methods, if only because instead of JUST old games I get some new stuff as well, and the new stuff is just as fun, AND prettier.

 

[StefanS]

EDIT: Basically, the latter is like MS's system. The former is like Nintendo's system (to my understanding).

Well, the only precedent we have in Nintendo's case is Zelda OoT & the Master Quest on GCN. Judging from that we'll likely get better filtering and a better resolution (480p). Hopefully, we'll get AA as well on Rev.
So it is pretty likely that the 3D games will some improvement, but the 2D will not. We won't see any improvement of the graphical assets (redrawing a textures, new textures, etc.). I know too little of MS's system, but do they do this?

 

[one]

Well, the only precedent we have in Nintendo's case is Zelda OoT & the Master Quest on GCN.

In Excite Bike in NES Classics for GBA, you can save tracks which was not possible in the original game.
http://www.getintothegame.com/pages/gamespace/story.php?pid=919773&sid=6099986

Aside from neat feature additions, personally I prefer precise emulation rather than overhaul for old 2D games at least. Some emulators on PC have filtering capability, but I don't like them to blur edgy dots. SEGA Ages compilations even reproduce graphical glitches in arcade machines. Oh, and without flickering NES is not NES.

 

[NavNucST3]

Either way this goes we can all take solace in the fact that we won't have to blow in the damn NES or on the games anymore

 

[Carl B]

Either way this goes we can all take solace in the fact that we won't have to blow in the damn NES or on the games anymore

You know I've never understood that; is that something that just spread across the world as the 'solution' - in a sort of grand game of telephone - or did we all just arrive at the same conclusions independently? Looking back it's hard to remember. But invariably, everybody who at one time owned a NES was reduced to blowing on the games, and it just seems odd that we all knew to do it.

 

[nintenho]

Aside from neat feature additions, personally I prefer precise emulation rather than overhaul for old 2D games at least. Some emulators on PC have filtering capability, but I don't like them to blur edgy dots. SEGA Ages compilations even reproduce graphical glitches in arcade machines. Oh, and without flickering NES is not NES.

What's flickering?

 

[Guden Oden]

'Improved' how? SMB All-Stars for the SNES had 'improved' graphics that I thought looked like crap. I never played through that version even though I used to love the original SMB for NES.

It's not authentic. If I want to play old games I want them to look the way I remember them. If I want better graphics, I'll play something more recent.

Nobody proposes touching up paintings from the middle ages because artists then couldn't paint for shit. It's the same thing here, it wouldn't be genuine.

No changes please. Well, 3D games I wouldn't mind some AA, AF and higher rez. But keep hands off the 2D stuff!

 

[nintenho]

No changes please. Well, 3D games I wouldn't mind some AA, AF and higher rez. But keep hands off the 2D stuff!

It'd be nice if they let you choose which shaders to have on.

 

[Titanio]

Option c) Selectable "classic" or "enhanced" mode.

Some games I don't mind enhancements, but some would be so precious to my childhood memory that I wouldn't want them any other way than how they always were Obviously different people would have a different games where this is the case, so the only option would be to..make it an option

FWIW, Nintendo has actually said they're considering enhancements to older games on the virtual console, though. They even specifically said they were doing experiments with Super Mario Bros.

 

[pc999]

What do you consider cheap/no cheap? and enhanced?

If it is bellow 5$ (for already payd of games) that is nice, but I dont think that it would cost much more to improve such games with a few more features and higher FPS/rez.

 

[nintenho]

What do you consider cheap/no cheap? and enhanced?

If it is bellow 5$ (for already payd of games) that is nice, but I dont think that it would cost much more to improve such games with a few more features and higher FPS/rez.

Apparantly, all nintendo games (famitsu says that's about 100 games) are free. I'm not sure what it's going to be for sega games though.

 

[one]

What's flickering?

That's what you get when many characters are in line. Everything slows down and flickers.

Apparantly, all nintendo games (famitsu says that's about 100 games) are free.

Really? Wasn't it debunked by Iwata a year ago or so?