Wipeout Pure impressions

[Phil]

What?! Fusion had a very irritatingly unstable framerate, and seen how fusyy you are about framerates i'm surprised you don't think the same. It was fast, yeah, but really, the slowdowns put me off a little bit...

Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown).

Slowdown only occured during intense battles and mostly when you did the earthquake weapon in addition to missiles or many other ships on the screen. Disable weapons and there was no slowdown. Zonemode didn't feature any either...

And it has certainly been surpassed in this generation in terms of speed, if only by the Burnout series, which are crazily fast, without a hint of slowdown.

Phil: Fusion.. faster than F-Zero GX?

I have played both Burnout 3 (roughly completed it) and F-Zero GX (not that much admittedly) and I am fairly confident that they're not faster than Wipeout (B3 definately is a long way off). I guess it simply depends on what level you manage to get in Fusion [Zonemode] - I've been around level 40+ (not sure how far anymore, but I was actually among the 30 highest internationally on the first zonemode track). I'm not sure if there's a faster level than the one I witnessed in F-Zero, but a friend who has the game and watched me play Zonemode claimed Wipeout was faster... It's insane anyway, after the 40+ levels your eyes start to tear anyway...

 

[rabidrabbit]

Ok, then are we now going to make a new topic of every game that runs 30fps.
Shall we make them retroactively, then I suggest we only include games from this gen onwards.

 

[Ty]

Whether it's an attempt to troll or not is irrelevent as long as the facts are intact...

Incorrect. This statement would seem to indicate that you believe that as long as there are facts in the statement ANY tone conveyed in the post is acceptable.

Regardless trolling is up to ones own interpretation based on ones own preconceived biases.

This IS true and certainly a fine line for the mods (and forum participators) to watch. That does not mean, however, that a standard should not apply to all forum participators.

Ty . How else could that information be presented ? How could it be presented in a way that it wouldn't be trolling ?

I'd lose the wink, that's all.

For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future.

 

[mech]

Got Wipeout Pure today - it may "only" be 30fps, but damn it's one sexy looking game

Got Lumines today as well, which is also sexy.

I love my PSP

 

[jvd]

For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future.

well honestly there are other offenders to the emoticons that surpass pc .

I think some people read to much into it because of prior experiances with pc-engine

 

[Ty]

well honestly there are other offenders to the emoticons that surpass pc .

I think you're going to have a ton of people disagree with you. Did you read Shifty Geezer's eloquent and mature post on this? The one where PCE then turned around and accused him of "smoking some whacky sh$t"?

I think some people read to much into it because of prior experiances with pc-engine

Yes, this is VERY possible however you have to ask yourself WHY so many people have issues or get into verbal battles with him? Why are so many threads he's participated in locked or needed to be pruned? Is everyone else "wrong"?

Reputations work both ways. You have guys like Archie, Faf, ERP, Panajev, nAo, Simon F, etc. who have proven themselves as HUGE technical knowledge points. When these guys speak, everyone knows that they know what they're talking about (well at least technically - not sure if they're as knowledgable about the fairer sex. )

But on the other end of the spectrum as guys like Chap, Deadmeat, hozv, etc. who have proven themselves to be a detriment to good, open, and adult communication.

The funny thing is many months ago I even told in a PM that because he's building up such a negative reputation that anything he says is now going to be colored fairly or unfairly by how others judge him. I think he turned around and called me an idiot or something.

But hey, if he's willing to turn over a new leaf than I think that's great (and quite honestly, so far he's been pretty good imo though this has been what, the 3rd or 4th time he's been warned about being banned?)

Anyhow at this point, I think we're being unfair to him to discuss this any further. You have my name if you want to continue this in PM.

 

[jvd]

I think you're going to have a ton of people disagree with you. Did you read Shifty Geezer's eloquent and mature post on this? The one where PCE then turned around and accused him of "smoking some whacky sh$t"?

there are many people who do this . I read 90% of all threads posted here .

Yes, this is VERY possible however you have to ask yourself WHY so many people have issues or get into verbal battles with him? Why are so many threads he's participated in locked or needed to be pruned? Is everyone else "wrong"?

I highly doubt so many people don't get along with him because he is an a hole . Though i'm sure some don't get along with him because of that . I also think some dismiss him or flame him because he isn't pro sony .

I have read just as many posts where someone started flaming him and throwing the topic off topic as him being the direct cause of throwing topics off topic .

So if he is banned for throwing threads off topic then there are many others who provoke him or totaly attack him and throw a thread off topic that need to be banned also .

But on the other end of the spectrum as guys like Chap, Deadmeat, hozv, etc. who have proven themselves to be a detriment to good, open, and adult communication.

and you have the people who know these people are problems and instead of ignoring them and just continueing on they instigate and incite more flames by attacking them. This to me makes them just as bad .

But hey, if he's willing to turn over a new leaf than I think that's great (and quite honestly, so far he's been pretty good imo though this has been what, the 3rd or 4th time he's been warned about being banned?)

He has been good for a very long time , its the people who don't like him that can't accept this . I've seen more flames attacking him in the last two months than i've seen him flaming anyone .

As for being warned about getting banned unless its from a mod its just empty chatter and if someone is going to tell another user they will get them banned that person themselves should stop talking and let the mods take care of things .

Anyhow at this point, I think we're being unfair to him to discuss this any further. You have my name if you want to continue this in PM.

at this point its moot . You were being unfair to him as soon as he posted in this thread . There was a wink which you took one way. I saw it as him reminding people the finds of others such as yourself and not as a flame war .

It was however those that followed (who ironicly claim pc-engine to be a bad seed ) who started the flame in this thread .

This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .

 

[Ty]

As for being warned about getting banned unless its from a mod its just empty chatter

He was openly warned a few times on the boards, much in the same way you (I think it was you) warned Deadmeat.

This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .

So he's really a victim in all of this?

Can you read this thread and tell me what Shifty Geezer said to warrant the response he got? Or the response I got?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22317

This is not meant to sound inflammatory in anyway, but if these types of posts are OK by the mods, then I think we'd all like to know. The line should be clearly drawn as to what is OK and what is not. Maybe most of us are holding back too much?

 

[jvd]

This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .

So he's really a victim in all of this?

recently yes . Esp in this thread. Though sometimes he is at fault .

But the blame pc-engine for everything is getting old and its not true at all.

mech wrote:
PC-Engine wrote:
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD?

RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...


Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?

And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?

HOnestly . The witch hunt against him is really getting out of hand . He posted a simple response in which others have agreed with (the ghosting) yet he was attacked . Why ? Because in this thread it apears a sony fan doesn't want any flaws in sony hardware pointed out .


Do you have another reason as to why this thread went to crap as it did ?

 

[Ty]

But the blame pc-engine for everything is getting old and its not true at all.

I agree to a point with this statement, that he certainly is NOT to blame for some of the arguments he gets into. In my previous post I even said this; that his reputation fairly or unfairly colors conversations he gets into. That said, I think you are simply protecting him because of your anti-Sony bias.

You can accuse me of having a Pro-Sony bias but I don't have a PS1, a PS2, or even a PSP. As you know, I have a DC, a GCN, and an XBox (bought in that order). As you know, I've openly stated that my belief is that Sony is going to lose major ground and MS is going to gain major ground in the upcoming generation. Am I biased?

Do you have another reason as to why this thread went to crap as it did ?

And what about all the other threads?

 

[jvd]

I agree to a point with this statement, that he certainly is NOT to blame for some of the arguments he gets into. In my previous post I even said this; that his reputation fairly or unfairly colors conversations he gets into. That said, I think you are simply protecting him because of your anti-Sony bias.

If that is what you belive that is fine . I see you constantly trying to get me to be negative to sony and cast other things in a postive light . Which i do not do . Though you and others try to do it .

You can accuse me of having a Pro-Sony bias but I don't have a PS1, a PS2, or even a PSP. As you know, I have a DC, a GCN, and an XBox (bought in that order). As you know, I've openly stated that my belief is that Sony is going to lose major ground and MS is going to gain major ground in the upcoming generation. Am I biased?

So i don't own a xbox or a ps1 , or a ps2 and i claim that the ps3 will keep the market lead but x360 will at least double thier user base , does that make me not bias ? Since after all you claim I'm bias but yet i'm in the same boat as you and you claim your not bias . So what is it ?

And what about all the other threads?

If you have read my other posts I have talked about this . In some posts sure he is at fault . In others he is not .

But to ban him then i will have to ban those that are at fault in the other threads . That is of course only fair . Why should pc-engine be banned for starting flame wars or trolling and someone like mech who attacked him in this thread shouldn't be ?

Is it because mech is a sony fan and pc-engine is anti sony ?

 

[London Geezer]

Is it because mech is a sony fan and pc-engine is anti sony ?

That's what it always comes down to isn't it, jvd...

Let's all praise our Lord PCEngine. He has calmed down. PLEASE!!! Let's make him a saint shall we...

The fact remains, PCEngine has been crapping on these boards for months, with the only intent to spread his "ideas" in a very uncivil way. HE has been given MANY last warnings, yet he's still here. Who cares if he's calmed down? He'll start again.

 

[rabidrabbit]

It's not the opinions of PC-Engine as much as the fact that he too often plain insults people who disagree, calling them names and such.

True, he's toned it down in recent weeks, but I was amazed the mods did not take any action when he was on full steam.
I've seen mods deleting posts for lesser reasons, makes one wonder if PC-Engine has some closer connections to some mods, other than sharing the same bias.

 

[jvd]

That's what it always comes down to isn't it, jvd...

No but in this thread it is .

Pc-engine said that the psp screen ghosts . Which is negative but true .

Mech comes in and calls for him being banned or not allowed to post in sony threads .


Its not anymore clear cut than that l-b . Its obvious in the context of this thread that mech attacked pc-engine because of him saying something anti sony .

Or are you going to claim otherwise ?

The fact remains, PCEngine has been crapping on these boards for months, with the only intent to spread his "ideas" in a very uncivil way. HE has been given MANY last warnings, yet he's still here. Who cares if he's calmed down? He'll start again.

People in glass houses l-b


Aside from that , its apparent that it is not pc-engine that needs to clam down. He is calm . Its the others that have an agenda for whatever reason that need to calm down.

Saying something negative about sony does not make the post a flame . Saying something negative against nintendo or ms does not make the post a flame . Its the content of the post that does or doesn't make it a flame .

Do you believe in this thread Pc-engine was trolling ? Even though ty was one of the first on thie forum to bring up the ghosting problem ?

Do you believe that mech is right in his post ?

 

[jvd]

It's not the opinions of PC-Engine as much as the fact that he too often plain insults people who disagree, calling them names and such.

Like you did to me today ? The personal attack in the console forum is exactly what your claiming pc-engine should be banned for . So should you be banned for that ?

True, he's toned it down in recent weeks, but I was amazed the mods did not take any action when he was on full steam.
I've seen mods deleting posts for lesser reasons, makes one wonder if PC-Engine has some closer connections to some mods, other than sharing the same bias.

Heh you'd be amazed at what you know and what you don't know. You may see a post that you think is deleted for lesser reasons , but miss the other posts by the user in the thread that are deleted for a reason .


Now you say its because certian mods share a bias with him .

So am i wrong to assume that the fact your posting in this thread are due to your own bias ? Your bias for sony and your bias against me ? You have already personaly attacked me in a thread so its very blatent that you have a bias against me .

 

[London Geezer]

Pc-engine said that the psp screen ghosts . Which is negative but true .

Mech comes in and calls for him being banned or not allowed to post in sony threads .


Its not anymore clear cut than that l-b . Its obvious in the context of this thread that mech attacked pc-engine because of him saying something anti sony .

Or are you going to claim otherwise ?

Aside from that , its apparent that it is not pc-engine that needs to clam down. He is calm . Its the others that have an agenda for whatever reason that need to calm down.

Saying something negative about sony does not make the post a flame . Saying something negative against nintendo or ms does not make the post a flame . Its the content of the post that does or doesn't make it a flame .

Do you believe in this thread Pc-engine was trolling ? Even though ty was one of the first on thie forum to bring up the ghosting problem ?

Do you believe that mech is right in his post ?

It's his consistent attacks. Every single posts he makes needs to remind people how stupid or how unprofessional certain companies are. Sometimes he's civil, many times he's just trolling.
You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him for no reason whatsoever. Remember, he's the one who got MANY "last warnings". You should only be giving one of those before banning. Still, he's here, free to play nice to please you, jvd, so you can think he's "calmed down". Then it's back from square one when he feels he's safe.

If many people attack him is because they're frustrated after all these months of him crapping in every single thread he posts in, with useless posts. He hasn't done it here? FINE. That's not the point.

He even had the cheek last week (when i PMed you and you asked me what thread it was) to start insulting programmers who obviously have much more insight into things than he does.
So no, he hasn't calmed down "in recent weeks". He's calmed down in the last week when the shit hit the fan.
And thanks to you, thinking it's everyone else's fault and not his, he will probably not be banned. When it would be much more efficient to get rid of him once and for all (like he's been warned and "final" warned numerous times) to make this a much much much more civil place.

 

[rabidrabbit]

You mean when I said something like "(I hope not from jvd)", when I said average joe should ask a sales person if unsure of purchases.
That was a joke! I never thought you'd take it as an insult.

Ok, maybe it was a stab at that I see you somewhat biased, but that's not an insult like saying "you're dumb".

 

[jvd]

It's his consistent attacks. Every single posts he makes needs to remind people how stupid or how unprofessional certain companies are. Sometimes he's civil, many times he's just trolling.
You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him.
If many people attack him is because they're frustrated after all these months of him crapping in every single thread he posts in, with useless posts. He hasn't done it here? FINE. That's not the point.

because most of the time he is civil and some of that time he is attacked. The rest of the time he may attack others .

As for useless posts you shouldn't talk . You have your fair share of useless posts in the console forum where you add nothing to the thread except an attack , a joke , a few smileys or something else of no value to the topic .

He even had the cheek last week (when i PMed you and you asked me what thread it was) to start insulting programmers who obviously have much more insight into things than he does.
So no, he hasn't calmed down "in recent weeks". He's calmed down in the last week when the shit hit the fan

its funny but i never did get a response to what post that was .

I've been reading most of the posts here about 90% of the console forum posts and i think he is fine . Actually the only problem i see was this thread which wasn't his fault from the last few weeks .

And thanks to you, thinking it's everyone else's fault and not his, he will probably not be banned.

And this right here is the problem. You simply don't read .

I have already said that many times he is at fault . You skip that point completely because it doesn't further your agenda .

However in this post mech is at fault . Yet you still haven't answered the question of if mech should be banned for attacking pc-engine even though in this topic pc-engine hasn't done anything wrong .

When it would be much more efficient to get rid of him once and for all (like he's been warned and "final" warned numerous times) to make this a much much much more civil place.

You seem to know alot about what goes on in terms of banning . I think you think you know alot . But i doubt you do .

I don't have final say in any bans , actually all i can do is suggest things . But before the ideas move out of the console forum it is talked about between the mods of the forum .

You mean when I said something like "(I hope not from jvd)", when I said average joe should ask a sales person if unsure of purchases.
That was a joke! I never thought you'd take it as an insult.

There was no indication that it was a joke and i've actually been pmed about that asking if i had seen the insult (which i did as soon as you posted it )

Ok, maybe it was a stab at that I see you somewhat biased, but that's not an insult like saying "you're dumb".

It implys that i am bad at one of my jobs . How is that not an insult ?

 

[rabidrabbit]

Well, I sincerely apologise you then. I should've put a winky there

Claiming you're being biased does not indicate you're bad at your job, you're paid to be somewhat biased!

hehe I bet it was PC-Engine who pm'd, or chap

 

[jvd]

No it was actually someone in good standing with everyone . Who just happened to see it