its not that simple , windows 7 has had a few changes and additions , but yes metro ui is running on top.
I personaly can't wait for it
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its not that simple , windows 7 has had a few changes and additions , but yes metro ui is running on top.
I personaly can't wait for it
Aren't they trying to copy the Apple recipe, have a tight rein on HW so that the UX and performance are consistent?
Android platform has a potential problem with fragmentation because almost anything goes for hardware.
I'm just not so sure that vendors will jump up and down with joy with that one. Primary consideration is cost. Since you're comparing it with Apple what's their BOM compared to other manufacturers? If BOM/cost increases what will vendors be forced to? Sell at the break even point or even at a loss? I don't think so.
Sell a tablet for instance by 100 bucks or more higher than a comparable iPad and you've got how many chances for a sales success?
Yes but it has the above luxury.
Responsiveness and fluidity look spot on.
They apparently worked really hard on accommodating both touch-control "post-PC" users and traditional PC users.
He felt a little awkward mentioning that "it has a file system because it's a PC" almost as if it was legacy baggage and not an abstract for a finer degree of control when managing/creating content.
They apparently worked really hard on accommodating both touch-control "post-PC" users and traditional PC users.
He felt a little awkward mentioning that "it has a file system because it's a PC" almost as if it was legacy baggage and not an abstract for a finer degree of control when managing/creating content.
It depends on what the minimum requirements are. from isupply break downs it doesn't seem that the actual arm chips are that much $10-$20 . so if when windows 8 coms out and kal-el is the best tegra out , does it matter if MS requires it over the tegra 2 ?
Now perhaps display is the point where problems set in. If ms requires a certian resolution (which it is ) that could raise prices quite high. Of course that may only be at the start.
Of course it has the problem of the samsung moment. It would take almost 2 minutes for angry birds to load on it and it would be unplayable.
Why would Microsoft rate specific SoCs instead of minimum requirements of say A or B CPU with at least that much frequency, that much system ram etc. SoC prices depend on quite a few factors and are not the only part of the BOM. One of the deciding factors would be the amount of SoCs ordered. Since you mention NV the minimum amount a partner can order is 100.000. Do you think such an order will have the same price/SoC as for instance a 2Mio units order? Apple orders in very high quantities and that's one of the reasons their BOM is so low.
Besides those 10 and 20 bucks SoCs you're mentioning have what kind of capabilities exactly and even worse does any of those come with something like 2GB system ram for instance?
System ram isn't cheap either. The problem in the end is that if requirements end up as high as to increase any future windows tablet's street price, then all you'll have is an even more expensive tablet compared to a notebook, where the latter will still be more efficient.
We need tablets and smart-phones to drop in prices in the future and not increase.
Some people are thinking that the touch UI is taking center stage while the traditional UI is off in a corner.
That is, you have to go into one of the tiles to use the legacy apps while the rest of them are for touch software.
Could be one way to really get market share in touch UI OS. Of course, all those legacy PCs may not have the touch input devices.
But the touch software use HTML5 and Javascript, not the Silverlight-based tools used for WP7 apps?
That is, you have to go into one of the tiles to use the legacy apps while the rest of them are for touch software.
Could be one way to really get market share in touch UI OS. Of course, all those legacy PCs may not have the touch input devices.
But the touch software use HTML5 and Javascript, not the Silverlight-based tools used for WP7 apps?
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110608PD228.html
acer ordered 80,000 desna cpus which are the z-01s . I wonder if a refresh of the iconia w500 is incoming.
They should get a decent bump in battery life by going with the new chips. It be 5.9w vs 9w , so a savings of 3w or so which is pretty big power savings. Also the new cips could require less cooling
acer ordered 80,000 desna cpus which are the z-01s . I wonder if a refresh of the iconia w500 is incoming.
They should get a decent bump in battery life by going with the new chips. It be 5.9w vs 9w , so a savings of 3w or so which is pretty big power savings. Also the new cips could require less cooling
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New Brazos-T platform:
Source.
The Brazos platform will have no die shrinks or major architectural differences for 2012, which is a bit of a let down.
The "Active Standby"-related features are probably really important too, but there are no clock increases or any other performance optimizations.
I wonder why they're not supporting LPDDR2 instead of DDR3. It should further increase power efficiency.
It'll have to face Cortex A15 28nm SoCs throughout 2012 with a dual-chip 40nm solution. I really don't see that as having many chances of success, but it will still be compatible with legacy software in Windows 8. The GPU should still be better than Intel's PowerVR offerings, but the CPU will probably lack a lot compared to the ~2GHz Cedar Trails.
Reportedly lower TDP for 2013, but still aimed at tablets. "Next-gen graphics" means it's supposedly carrying a low-power GPU based on the new SIMD architecture.
I guess AMD won't be targetting smartphones until 2014, at least.
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The Brazos platform will have no die shrinks or major architectural differences for 2012, which is a bit of a let down.
The "Active Standby"-related features are probably really important too, but there are no clock increases or any other performance optimizations.
I wonder why they're not supporting LPDDR2 instead of DDR3. It should further increase power efficiency.
It'll have to face Cortex A15 28nm SoCs throughout 2012 with a dual-chip 40nm solution. I really don't see that as having many chances of success, but it will still be compatible with legacy software in Windows 8. The GPU should still be better than Intel's PowerVR offerings, but the CPU will probably lack a lot compared to the ~2GHz Cedar Trails.
Reportedly lower TDP for 2013, but still aimed at tablets. "Next-gen graphics" means it's supposedly carrying a low-power GPU based on the new SIMD architecture.
I guess AMD won't be targetting smartphones until 2014, at least.
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Check the last slide, package size is the same.
TDP reduction isn't that big, from 5.9w to 4.5W. What's been improved is the average power consumption (the 2W power consumption number comes from 720p video playback).
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Brazos is made by TSMC. GF makes Llano.
Apparently people thought Deccan was on 28nm, but there was never such claims from AMD.
Since AMD is already going to spread too thin during 2012 (High-end AM3 bulldozers for desktop, Trinity for value desktop+laptop, Krishna for UMPC/nettop, Wichita for netbooks, Brazos-T/Deccan for tablets), apparently the Brazos' successor was the architecture to suffer from less R&D investment.
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Brazos can use LV DDR3, which runs at 1.35V. LPDDR2 runs at 1.2V so the power savings will be minimal i guess. And im sure Brazos could use the extra b/w provided by DDR3.
When are Cortex A15 SoC's slated to be available? From what i've read so far, OMAP 5 is the first and we wont see that until H2 2012 (unspecified if Q3 or Q4). Even if its Q3, Brazos-T will be available in Q2 and that will give them time to get design wins for the crucial back to school period.
Cedar trail is still the same old Atom core we've had since 2008 so i dont expect any miracles there. And remember the 2 ghz dual cores have TDP's of ~8W. For a tablet part expect the clock to reduce substantially.
Why would "next gen" graphics neccesarily mean low power?
And are AMD going to be able to target smartphones at all? I dont think they've publicly stated their intent of going after the smartphone market. Besides the SoC market is crowded enough as it is
Im sure they will use the new process for the next gen APU's, but i dont think they'll have a tablet optimized version of those APU's ready in the timeframe for Windows 8 release. They'll aim for early time to market with the existing Brazos part and have the next gen APU ready for 2013 i guess.
That doesn't really tell you there's no shrink. It just says they probably want to make it physically compatible, to make integration easier.
