Will get PS3, not XB360

[Mefisutoferesu]

Ah, see now I'm the exact opposite. I'm looking at a minimum of 15 games that I want to buy coming out in the next year or so (or I just haven't gotten around to it... OZ is in perpetual backorder) and I'm pretty darn sure I'm definately underestimating. To me, aside from the curiousness of it all, I'm really not that interested in the nextgen, and frankly neither is the majority of gamers. I think the early launch could backfire on MS simply because the PS2 lineup alone is so freakishly strong. Especially, with whats looking to be a hit parade of gamex releasing during the holiday season. I can see MS's biggest worry not being PS3 but PS2, unequivically so in Japan, and maybe so in the US.

 

[wazoo]

MS does not need - at least for Christmas - that the majority is interested in its new console. Hardcore gamers and tech avid will be sufficient.

 

[Powderkeg]

You won't be creating succesful franchises unless your console is at least somewhat succesfull to survive long enough to give home to these franchises.

You can't create a successful franchise on a non-successful console?

Guess what. Metal Gear was first made for the MSX. Don't know what the MSX was? Neither does anyone else.

 

[Powderkeg]

Ah, see now I'm the exact opposite. I'm looking at a minimum of 15 games that I want to buy coming out in the next year or so (or I just haven't gotten around to it... OZ is in perpetual backorder) and I'm pretty darn sure I'm definately underestimating. To me, aside from the curiousness of it all, I'm really not that interested in the nextgen, and frankly neither is the majority of gamers. I think the early launch could backfire on MS simply because the PS2 lineup alone is so freakishly strong. Especially, with whats looking to be a hit parade of gamex releasing during the holiday season. I can see MS's biggest worry not being PS3 but PS2, unequivically so in Japan, and maybe so in the US.

Nobody cares about the previous incarnation when they launch a new system. Fact is, MS couldn't supply the demand if as many people wanted the 360 as wanted a PS2 right now, so it's actually better for them to not have as much.

MS won't have any trouble selling out their supplies this holiday. That's all the demand they need, and who cares if more PS2's sell?

 

[London Geezer]

Nobody cares about the previous incarnation when they launch a new system

Nonsense! Of course people look at the previous generation, and many buy "by instinct" based on that!

Fact is, MS couldn't supply the demand if as many people wanted the 360 as wanted a PS2 right now, so it's actually better for them to not have as much.

MS won't have any trouble selling out their supplies this holiday. That's all the demand they need, and who cares if more PS2's sell?

MS will surely sell out its supplies, but it matter a lot for them to sell as many units as they can, gain a lot of momentum, before PS3 comes out.
PS2 will probably remain the best selling console even by the time PS3 comes out.

 

[Powderkeg]

Nonsense! Of course people look at the previous generation, and many buy "by instinct" based on that!

And those are the people who wouldn't buy any launch system, ever, so they don't matter to a new systems launch. Thus, nobody cares about them.

MS will surely sell out its supplies, but it matter a lot for them to sell as many units as they can, gain a lot of momentum, before PS3 comes out.
PS2 will probably remain the best selling console even by the time PS3 comes out.

Again, you are talking about 2 entirely different group of customers.

MS isn't going to convince someone who has waited 6 years to buy a PS2 to buy a brand new launch day 360 for 2-3 times the price. Sony couldn't convince those people to buy a PS3 either. If they could, they would have convinced them to buy that PS2 6 years ago. They aren't a factor, they don't matter.

MS only has to convince the people who normally buy systems within the first 1-2 years, before the first pricedrop, to invest in the 360. That's all that matters to them, and naturally that group will be far smaller than the group that waits until consoles fall to the sub-$150 price range to buy a system.

 

[Carl B]

MS only has to convince the people who normally buy systems within the first 1-2 years, before the first pricedrop, to invest in the 360. That's all that matters to them, and naturally that group will be far smaller than the group that waits until consoles fall to the sub-$150 price range to buy a system.

Well, there is of course another group besides that - those who bought an XBox in the 'early days' and are now looking to get a PS2. This group may very well represent a group that Microsoft might 'lose' to Sony this upcoming gen, and one that more readily than not may have plunked down for a higher priced 360 (though possibly not the lanuch price). I have encountered quite a few early-owners of the vaunted box who will be purchasing their first PS2 upon Sony's supposed price cut later this year.

I mean it of course works both ways - certainly many a Sony fan has gone to Microsoft over the past year or two as Xbox prices have continued to drop.

My point is simply that 'early adopter' and 'bargain hunter' are sometimes one and the same, depending on the situation. I early adopted the PS2, and bargain-hunted the Cube. Since then, I believe I'm set to early-adopt the Rev.

 

[c0_re]

topics like this belong over at IGN os PsN.net gimme a break, besides Splinter Cell kicks MGS to the curb like a used up crack ho.


What kind o fan idiot woud bu a PS2\Xbox right now with the PS3\360 comming out so soon?

 

[Powderkeg]

Well, there is of course another group besides that - those who bought an XBox in the 'early days' and are now looking to get a PS2. This group may very well represent a group that Microsoft might 'lose' to Sony this upcoming gen, and one that more readily than not may have plunked down for a higher priced 360 (though possibly not the lanuch price). I have encountered quite a few early-owners of the vaunted box who will be purchasing their first PS2 upon Sony's supposed price cut later this year.

I bet I could count the number of early adopters of the Xbox who will buy a PS2 instead of a next-gen console on one hand.

My point is simply that 'early adopter' and 'bargain hunter' are sometimes one and the same, depending on the situation. I early adopted the PS2, and bargain-hunted the Cube. Since then, I believe I'm set to early-adopt the Rev.

The "early adopters" who are also "bargian hunters" aren't looking for a bargin on their early adoptions, are they?

It's still 2 different groups of customers, and when you "bargian hunt" you are virtually always looking for old hardware and games. You never "bargain hunt" on launch day, because there are no bargians to be had.

Again, MS isn't going to attract the bargain hunters to the 360. Neither Sony nor Nintendo will attract those people to their next-gen systems either. It's a different market.

 

[London Geezer]

And those are the people who wouldn't buy any launch system, ever, so they don't matter to a new systems launch. Thus, nobody cares about them.



Again, you are talking about 2 entirely different group of customers.

MS isn't going to convince someone who has waited 6 years to buy a PS2 to buy a brand new launch day 360 for 2-3 times the price. Sony couldn't convince those people to buy a PS3 either. If they could, they would have convinced them to buy that PS2 6 years ago. They aren't a factor, they don't matter.

MS only has to convince the people who normally buy systems within the first 1-2 years, before the first pricedrop, to invest in the 360. That's all that matters to them, and naturally that group will be far smaller than the group that waits until consoles fall to the sub-$150 price range to buy a system.

Woah talk about going off a tangent there...

Groups or not, all i said is that MS need to get as many units out there as they can. Oh and i also said that they will probably sell out for a couple of months.

You said "the previous gen doesn't matter, we start from zero" and i said "yes it does, people always look at past performance (when they have a picture of what the past performance is, which in this case is quite clear)".

Not sure where the Groups thing comes from.

 

[Carl B]

Powderkeg I see you are insistent in maintaining your position, so I'm not going to bend over backwards to argue you. Nontheless, you are commiting a fallacy by trying to lump all consumers into one of two categories, and indeed yesterday's bargain hunter can be today's early-adopter, and vice-versa. Often the 'bargain-hunting' of a console can be to play a new and fully priced game recently released, something you seem not to take into account. Would Dragon Warrior VIII not warrant a PSTwo purchase? For some it might.

But beyond that, I'm just indicating that the contrary is also true. Some of those that may eventually purchase a 360, due to an eventual title (perhaps 2006 or 2007) may not purchase one this year simply because they are not yet 'feeling it.' Not because they are not early adopters at heart - who knows maybe they'll be off early-adopting a new cell phone instead - just because even among early adopters, there sometimes needs to be a catalyst.

EDIT: By the way I don't have an issue with the 360 itself, to be sure. I think it's a fine console with some strong looking games, and I have two on pre-order for either gifts, myself, ebay or some combination thereof. My only issue is the way you discount 'last-gen' hardware that's still getting upcoming AAA game releases as being a 'non-factor.' I mean are these things for the games or aren't they?

 

[London Geezer]

topics like this belong over at IGN os PsN.net gimme a break, besides Splinter Cell kicks MGS to the curb like a used up crack ho.


What kind o fan idiot woud bu a PS2\Xbox right now with the PS3\360 comming out so soon?

No, this kind of post belongs over at IGN or PsN.
And this post (and many other posts of yours) is also the reason you have that little red square under your name.
If you think the thread doesn't belong here, do you think posting that crap is going to help? Don't post if you don't like it.

 

[c0_re]

No, this kind of post belongs over at IGN or PsN.
And this post (and many other posts of yours) is also the reason you have that little red square under your name.
If you think the thread doesn't belong here, do you think posting that crap is going to help? Don't post if you don't like it.

Oh london Boy gimme a break, get off your high horse before you fall off. How is a topic like this productive at all and not total fanb0y cannon foder I could make the same topic about Halo 3 if I wanted but it's nothing but flame bait.

I mean the title it'self is a total fanb0y calling card "Will get PS3, not XB360" please grow up already. Sorry I have a job and a life I don't have time nor do I give a flying f#$% to spend kissing your @ss to get forum brownie points.

 

[London Geezer]

Oh london Boy gimme a break, get off your high horse before you fall off. How is a topic like this productive at all and not total ****** cannon foder I could make the same topic about Halo 3 if I wanted but it's nothing but flame bait.

I mean the title it'self is a total fanb0y calling card "Will get PS3, not XB360" gimme abreak. Sorry I have a job and a life I don't have time nor do I give a flying f#$% to spend kissing your @ss to get forum brownie points.

Sure. Good luck.
Next time when you don't like a thread and you don't know who the thread opener is (hardly a *any console* fanboi Rev will love that), just refrain from posting.

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

What I was trying, and I guess poorly, to insinuate with my comment was the sheer influx of games will keep away potential buyers, hardcore or not. I used PS2 games, because that's where most of mine are coming from. Let me put it this way. Since Xbox was first announced I've been really interested in the console. I remember seeing the ads in gaming magazines and saying "wow"... what wazs that game, maniacs? Maddness? The girl with a giant hammer that looked like CG?? Never came out though. Anyway, I wanted to buy the XBox, but everytime I started to plan for it a game on the PS2 would come out and my money went there. Come holiday time there's going to be some unholy sweetness coming out for the PS2 and even Xbox and the DS line-up is freakish, though it's a handheld. What I'm thinking is a lot of people will look at the XBox360 and start weighing the differences and in the end go with the games. Yes, it's the hardcore that sell a launch, but a lot more are wary now about launches since every console this gen launched with some screw-ups in their drives. And many hardcore gamers only care about GAMES not consoles. I just keep thinking that I've never seen so many good games on current gen as we move into the new, and I think it'll hurt MS.

 

[c0_re]

Sure. Good luck.
Next time when you don't like a thread and you don't know who the thread opener is (hardly a *any console* fanboi Rev will love that), just refrain from posting.

"I don't think there's any XB360-exclusive knockout title but I sure know of one for the PS3."



Yea thats somthing a tottally unbiased person would say, and again I could care aless about what 99.9% of the loosers say think on the internet.

 

[London Geezer]

what wazs that game, maniacs? Maddness? The girl with a giant hammer that looked like CG?? Never came out though.

Malice? Of course it came out!

 

[London Geezer]

"I don't think there's any XB360-exclusive knockout title but I sure know of one for the PS3."



Yea thats somthing a tottally unbiased person would say, and again I could care aless about what 99.9% of the loosers say think on the internet.

Then why do you "waste your time" posting here?? Just get out!

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

It did!?! I never saw it at the launch. Huh. Anyway, thanks for the name. l-b.

EDIT: LOL!!!

Released: 06/02/2004
Average Score: 4.8

The heck happened!! Oh well, glad I didn't buy it now. ^^;

 

[c0_re]

Then why do you "waste your time" posting here?? Just get out!

LOL what are you like 17 or what?