Which one is better? Component connection or VGA?
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90% of tvs made with components have a 480p mode.
I have a toshiba from i believe 1999 that does 480p and its not a edtv . It has ColorStream and its a 480p monitor.
I wish i knew the damn model number but i can't find one on the tv .
Anyway both this one and my grandmas tv from the same time frame have this colorstream that does 480p
If he has the component cable he most likely has a 480p mode on that. which is what i said
I have a toshiba from i believe 1999 that does 480p and its not a edtv . It has ColorStream and its a 480p monitor.
I wish i knew the damn model number but i can't find one on the tv .
Anyway both this one and my grandmas tv from the same time frame have this colorstream that does 480p
If he has the component cable he most likely has a 480p mode on that. which is what i said
I wish my tv did 480p... 
It's only 480i, i tried many of times to feed it a 480p signal with no luck.
unfortunately my component hookups have a short in them and wont work unless you spend hours tinkering with the cable postion.(both a design flaw and many years of being unplugged due to them sharing audio with s-video, ) My s-video looks a bit better but lately it developed a short also but not as bad. The POS also devloped a weird visual quality problem (which is hard to explain but needless to say gives a weird flicker type pattern on fine grain textures, like a person wearing a thin striped shirt, or hair even will) I notice little visual things like that.
It also has a crappy digital comb filter that basically makes everything blurry.
I hate my tv and I hope to retire it soon for one those samsung 30" 16:9 slim crt's ($850 at cc). I was looking at LCD's but I dont want to limit myself to 720p if the ps3 will have good 1080 support.
It's only 480i, i tried many of times to feed it a 480p signal with no luck.
unfortunately my component hookups have a short in them and wont work unless you spend hours tinkering with the cable postion.(both a design flaw and many years of being unplugged due to them sharing audio with s-video, ) My s-video looks a bit better but lately it developed a short also but not as bad. The POS also devloped a weird visual quality problem (which is hard to explain but needless to say gives a weird flicker type pattern on fine grain textures, like a person wearing a thin striped shirt, or hair even will) I notice little visual things like that.
It also has a crappy digital comb filter that basically makes everything blurry.
I hate my tv and I hope to retire it soon for one those samsung 30" 16:9 slim crt's ($850 at cc). I was looking at LCD's but I dont want to limit myself to 720p if the ps3 will have good 1080 support.
randycat99 said:
What do you mean by this?
Do PCs transmit more color information over VGA than say Xbox 360 or a DVD player would?
For that matter, what was Dreamcast outputting? Its 480p output looked superior to any of the current consoles.
BTW, I have a TV from 2000 or 2001 with component inputs, it's some Philips TV, and it doesn't do 480p, only 480i. (maybe it can be made to do 480p by accessing the service menu?)
jvd said:
There are quite a few that don't support 480p at all, I know my friend's doesn't either, and it was a pretty big deal to find a TV under $600 that did. BTW, my TV was a 27" $300 TV and this was back in summer of 2001. I know some 480i TVs with component inputs were really EDTVs with 480p just disabled in the service menu, but I never saw anything about mine being one of them. (if only I could access the service menu to check...I seem to recall a site online that had universal codes that worked on just about every TV though)
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Fox5 said:
Let's be very distinct with the term "color information". There's information associated with being able to put the right color on a pixel (being able to accurately represent 16 mil colors vs. 4 mil, for instance), and information associated with putting a color on the right pixel (being able to resolve high detail in the color domain- essentially, analogous to the resolution of an image).
The video output of a PC and the typical video console (by extension) though a VGA line takes a hit on the former, but excels in the latter. (the catch-22 there is when you consider the use/implementation of digital video, pictures, and textures digitally compressed in the traditional manners to create the game image...so you end up getting some of that 4:2:0 effect mixed in with the once pristine "4:4:4" RGB/VGA output)
The DVD player is somewhat of a mixed bag, since it incorporates elements of digital computation/image manipulation (RGB domain), MPEG-style codec (4:2:0 domain), and typical yuv-based output (component connection). Worst-case scenario...worst of both worlds...BUT since it ends up looking pretty good in the end, the worst-case scenario can't be all that bad, eh?
The results end up being good (as in, good enough for the consumer), but the configuration ensures it can never reach the ultimate potential of the underlying technologies.
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jvd said:
Wierd, I never heard of any deal like that. I remember online discussions years ago looking for the holy grail of an EDTV that cost less than $600, and none seemed to be well known.
Oh well, guess that's what I get for shopping at Walmart.
BTW, since LCDs can't display colors very accurately anyhow, would that make the whole discussion of VGA versus component color accuracy pointless?
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Well, that is a very good point. LCD's and RGB were born to be together, obviously. Let's not forget, however, that ultimately both color accuracy and resolution should be strived for together in pursuit of video quality, not just settle for one or the other or one at the expense of the other.
LCD's and RGB were born to be together, obviously. Let's not forget, however, that ultimately both color accuracy and resolution should be strived for together in pursuit of video quality, not just settle for one or the other or one at the expense of the other.Wrong again. Just because a TV set has component input does not mean that it can accept a 480 progressive scan signal. The TV has to be a HDTV or EDTV to be able to accept a 480p signal. You're confusing 480i with 480p.jvd said:
BTW, do you know what the differences would be between a 1080i and 1080p signal being displayed on a 1920x1080 resolution TV?
BTOA said:Wrong again. Just because a TV set has component input does not mean that it can accept a 480 progressive scan signal. The TV has to be a HDTV or EDTV to be able to accept a 480p signal. You're confusing 480i with 480p.
BTW, do you know what the differences would be between a 1080i and 1080p signal being displayed on a 1920x1080 resolution TV?
I'm sure he knows the difference between progressive and interlaced, he just thought that a display having component inputs guaranteed that it also supported progressive scan. Really without progressive scan, there's not much improvement from component to svideo, though I'd say it is noticable. I've tried various svideo cables and some give the clarity of component, others give the color accuracy of component, but I've never been able to get a cable that does both. (though for whatever reason, the component interlaced output on my xbox and Resident Evil 4 skew green, yet other software doesn't, I've heard that there are two different types of component inputs though, usually one for interlaced and one for progressive, and if the wrong signal is sent then the colors are slightly off, so I'd guess it's just the case of the games expecting a progressive capable input and sending the wrong data)
Pozer said:
Heh, being a geek is tough isn't it... All this money we spend, when we could just go outside (!!!) and play football... like... for real, not PES!!!