When will we completely get rid of jagged edges in games?

[beginner16]

hi

I have few questions

When and how do you think we will get rid of jagged edges in games
( I know it could be done with much higher resolution than one current monitors have,but are there any other options ) ?
Do ati and nvidia have any plans in that direction ?
I mean , even with anti-aliasing there are still plenty of things ( like wires )that just don't look right to me

Why is it so hard to display oval objects in games(heck,even characters in unreal engine 3 have pointy heads ) ? Same question here I guess...when can we expect for GPUs or game engines to give us those ?
It looks it won't happen for at least a year or so , since even UE3 models have pointy heads

And last , what's that with Tim sweeney saying we will need anti-aliasing for the objects themselfs...or something to that effect...you guys are way too technical for me

cheers

 

[MasterBaiter]

Did Digi lose his username & have to re-register?


Jaggies will be with us in one form or another for a spell. The only thing you can do is bump up the rez on your moniter of bump up the AA (or both). There are some aliasing issues which aren't being addressed by some of the companies right now, but hopefully that's an eventual thing.

Game models are made from polygons.... which aren't round. To make them look round requires lot's of polys. The more polys... the more round, and the more work a video card has to do. Same goes with your aliasing question as well. It takes quite a bit of video card horsepower to get rid of jaggies.

Hope that helps a little.

 

[digitalwanderer]

Did Digi lose his username & have to re-register?

Hey you meanie, be nice to him!

When will we completely get rid of jagged edges in games?

When the moon grows dim and the stars turn cold.

 

[drspangle]

Never, in theory.

It`s like how large a radius does a circle need to become a straight line?

There will be a point where you will no longer be able to see the jaggies (huge res), but I should imagine that they will always be there.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I play at 1024x768 and use 4xTAA and have no problems with edges. Everything looks very smooth.

US

 

[karlotta]

the alpha texture issue is still around. But i guess you need to buy a PC and have a ATI card at 1600/1200 for the least jaggie. Was just on a PS2 and it was so bad... the jaggies hurt me.

 

[bloodbob]

Bah we just need to move to raytracing with lots of analytical filtering. Of course I'm sure for some of the modeling of stuff your going to need a PhD in maths but hey who cares

( Actually that would probably be volume tracing or something I dunno )

 

[martrox]

Jeez, guys...... I hate to say this.... but age will take care of those jaggies.....

Ya can't see jaggies if'n ya can't see.........

 

[Ailuros]

Jeez, guys...... I hate to say this.... but age will take care of those jaggies.....

Ya can't see jaggies if'n ya can see.........

Great; then my eyes still work as they're supposed to, since I could even see some minor aliasing in rare spots in Pixar's Finding Nemo as an example.

***edit: even the human eye in real time isn't absolutely perfect, when it comes to antialiasing.

 

[silence]

***edit: even the human eye in real time isn't absolutely perfect, when it comes to antialiasing.

did u install latest drivers for your eyes?
i hear they give 10-15% boost on sunny day. 8)

 

[Nappe1]

***edit: even the human eye in real time isn't absolutely perfect, when it comes to antialiasing.

did u install latest drivers for your eyes?
i hear they give 10-15% boost on sunny day. 8)

Last time I checked, with latest drivers for eyes LOD is set ridiculously low and there's quite few clipping plane hacks. Still it gives really good IRLMark score though...

 

[silence]

if u can see bump mapping in this topic....then i think you got right drivers

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19241

 

[beginner16]

Don't want to get pissy about it,but perhaps you plants could find another thread to spew your garbage.
I asked things I was interested to know about,and you go and try to be funny(emphasis on try)
Each one of you prob made hundrets of threads asking and debating about things you were interested in,so why can't you let others do the same?!
If you must,go and jerk off in your own threads.Perhaps someone would be willing to give me the time of day and try to answer my questions,but after seeing how many replies this thread got,he may think somebody already answered it (not knowing this thread was occupied with a bunch of semen infected mouths)

I'm out like your sense of humour and thanks for jack shit

 

[MuFu]

Use the search function to avoid bothersome humour.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17942
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19114
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13859

 

[London Geezer]

Jeez, guys...... I hate to say this.... but age will take care of those jaggies.....

Ya can't see jaggies if'n ya can see.........

Great; then my eyes still work as they're supposed to, since I could even see some minor aliasing in rare spots in Pixar's Finding Nemo as an example.

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with whatever medium you were watching the movie, than a flaw in Pixar's rendering. Pretty sure.

 

[MuFu]

It could also be caused overzealous edge-enhancement in the DVD master (which can be made a lot worse by certain software features).

 

[Randell]

TBH the way things are going, jaggies aren't the issue IMO as much as good old texture filtering/sparkling.

Whilst usable 4x RGMS (+GC AA) are huge strides forward in last 2-3 years, good old trilinear + AF seems to have taken a step or two backwards.

Either tri +AF + LOD bias handling needs improving or we need SSAA that is usable (heh) and doesnt blur text...

 

[digitalwanderer]

It could also be caused overzealous edge-enhancement in the DVD master (which can be made a lot worse by certain software features).

Hubba-wa? Edge-enhancement in the DVD player or in the viddy card driver?

(I never knew it affected video playback and always sort of wondered about it...you're the first knowledgeable person I've seen reference it so my apologies to the thread starter if this is OT but it's damned interesting to me! )

 

[MuFu]

It could also be caused overzealous edge-enhancement in the DVD master (which can be made a lot worse by certain software features).

Hubba-wa? Edge-enhancement in the DVD player or in the viddy card driver?

Actually on the DVD. AFAIK, most FILM is low-pass filtered at the mastering stage to make it more suitable for interlaced displays (although I'm sure this is getting less and less common). They use edge-enhancement to sharpen up the picture afterwards. The main problem is "halo-ing" (the result of artificially increased contrast along edges - *very* noticeable if you have a decent display) and this often makes aliasing highly visible. Try Googling it - I'm not too sure on the specifics myself.

Then on top of that you can get PowerDVD/WinDVD/whatever trying to uberify your picture again, which makes everything look even more balls. Try playing Episode I in PDVD using the "Vivid" profile and you'll see what I mean. :?

 

[Ailuros]

Jeez, guys...... I hate to say this.... but age will take care of those jaggies.....

Ya can't see jaggies if'n ya can see.........

Great; then my eyes still work as they're supposed to, since I could even see some minor aliasing in rare spots in Pixar's Finding Nemo as an example.

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with whatever medium you were watching the movie, than a flaw in Pixar's rendering. Pretty sure.

Absolutely not. Both here at home (PC and DVD player both on CRT displays) and in the cinema. I phrased it carefully enough to include terms like "minor" and "rare".

did u install latest drivers for your eyes?
i hear they give 10-15% boost on sunny day.

How about at least some wit when it has to come to cheap sarcasm? If you haven't ever noticed any form of minor aliasing with the naked eye in real-time (no not while watching any form of image processing/motion picture), then I'm not so sure that I'm the one that needs his eyes checked.

It could also be caused overzealous edge-enhancement in the DVD master (which can be made a lot worse by certain software features).

Nope; wasn't the case. It almost sounds like I dared to doubt the holy grail of antialiasing. "Nearly" perfect is only the human eye.

Don't want to get pissy about it,but perhaps you plants could find another thread to spew your garbage.
I asked things I was interested to know about,and you go and try to be funny(emphasis on try)
Each one of you prob made hundrets of threads asking and debating about things you were interested in,so why can't you let others do the same?!
If you must,go and jerk off in your own threads.Perhaps someone would be willing to give me the time of day and try to answer my questions,but after seeing how many replies this thread got,he may think somebody already answered it (not knowing this thread was occupied with a bunch of semen infected mouths)

I'm out like your sense of humour and thanks for jack shit

Definitely a refreshing touch. There's a hidden talent I've missed, I just don't want to define it