I would love to hear from you regarding my questions.
Many a person that aspire to more I've seen, many have had
to either for a mistake made when they were young(you can't
mean a person status should be determined by what they do in
their first few decades), others have had to maintain parents,
brothers, sons, family, etc... and have been stuck
Ok, right off the bat it looks like you feel that those that are not wealthy are slaves and/or are brainwashed.
First I am not rich by any means. I do not see why you think that
I am either a slave or a brainwashed consumer. Please explain...
I know of many a person that wastes thousand upon thousand on
cloths/accesories on a weekly basis, there are some who waste dozens,
if not 100s of thousands... If constantly spending(for no apparently
logical reason) and forgeting about retirement and acquiring thousands
in debt(I've heard the average us citizen has several thousand in debt.)
is not being 'brainwashed', I don't know what is.
What I mean by slave/brain washed is that millions are stuck doing repetitive/pointless/trivial tasks
with no viable way of getting out of their situation(improving their lives)
I've seen people who earn even 100Ks be quite in debt, do to buying the latest car/cloths/vac.s/etc... and sometimes f#ck up on the basics of being human, like relationships...
Do you feel the rich give back to society? Do you feel that the only
way you can give back to society is with physical labor?
NO, I think the arts/leisure/research/leading/etc are ways of contributing to society.
I really don't understand this. Why should the rich just give over more of a share of
their money to the government? I asked that question, and you just said, "Shut up, and
stop complaining". Why do you say this?
No, take it as part of the whole post... IT creates unequality, just as in the past a 'freed' slave would have
had trouble competing with others who were already established, so too
will people trying to start up new comp.s, etc will have trouble competing against long established companies with lots of connections, and a large % of the market.
You feel that the rich step on the lower classes.
NO, maybe there's something wrong with my english or something... Look, there are people stuck doing ridiculously pointless tasks, who will never escape their situation, those are part of society, those are contributing, and maintaining the bottom portions, just like atlas carried the world in his shoulder with no choice, there are MANY with no choice living at the bottom, many sustaining/carrying the world.
What I think is you shouldn't say " We deserve our success, power, fame, only to ourselves, no one else deserves thanks" cause that is a blatant lie, you have to thank your fathers, your teachers, your friends, those that laid the path before you, our ancestors, those at the bottom, God, and of course yourself, etc...
Ok, why do you think that when someone gets rich, that someone gets
poorer? If you neighbor gets raise, are you happy for him, or does
it someone hurt you?
NO, take it as a whole... as corp.s continue to pay less and less, and give less and less benefits, as more and more people gain education., as those at top establish themselves more and more, and talk to their favorite politicians, as monopolies remain intact, as ridiculous right is given over IP to companies for ridiculous lengths of time...
Look, It's not literally one-to-one, it's obvious as the big guys( in terms of industry/capital/etc) get stronger, and more powerful, it get's more and more difficult for the small guys to get their thing.
There are anti-trust laws you know, the same applies elsewhere.
Do you think that most people that work at Wal-Mart have no
intelligence, no common sense, and no education?
NO, take the etc. in mind, and I certainly did not mean everyone had all those prob.s, or had them SIMULTANEOUSLY... jr. who made ms. jr pregnant, might only have his inexperience, and biological success to blame, and might even be quite the einstein and one day change the world.
People don't succeed because they chose not to live up to their full potential and because they listen to people like you tell them they can't do it.
How many a times have I heard people say that.... They are living of in the streets cause they don't want anything more...
How many a times have I heard people say that.... They are living of in the streets cause they don't want anything more... I don't need to help them... "but we went together to college, you were my best friend"... "go f$ck someone else, I don't need to help you, it's your fault you're screwed."
Of COURSE you can get a PHD if you had the drive and determination to get one! It might not be easy for you, it might be down right hard because of some of the choices you have made in your life, but you CAN do it! That I know. =)
NOW, I see you decided to help your seven little bro.s... your old parents, or you simply made a mistake when you were young... NOW, just live there doing your menial labor for the rest of your days... that is your sentence!!!
You mentioned that some might try and start their own business and it might go bankrupt. Well, it might succeed too!
In the long run I've read at msnbc it's 1% of companies that make it... Is that good enough?
zidane1strife don't you think others could do this too if they wished?
Not if they A.) don't have the common knowledge, to get out B.) The time to study C.) Are too in debt/missed high school, and don't know how to get their degree, etc..
problems socializing: Who is responsible for this? The person that has the problem not anyone else.
RRRR, wrong... not always... Recent nature articles point some people's brains even behave different when presented with strangers...
you CAN still make a better life for yourself even though your past actions will make it a bit harder.
Many in the working class are in their 30s, with families, etc... Now even if all of a sudden all decided let's get a Ph'd and forget about it...
What would happen? When those that drive the garbage trucks, and corp. trucks, those that work for all those execs., etc went to high middle class.... WHAT u say? Society couldn't sustain such a change? Someone(a lot) has to be on the bottom for someone to be on the top( a few.).
The gov. could try to inspire, and aid all these people do something better... but it doesn't, why? CAUSE IT CURRENTLY ISN'T POSSIBLE.
If you really and truly believe this, that there is no hope, then I see as a major cause of the difference in our beliefs.
The majority of them must fail, most must remain at the lower portions of society, in order to sustain it, it is reality, you either face it or you don't.
In the past... you ended in a conc. camp... I'm not saying there's no hope for you, I'm just saying the odds are against you, and this is expected.
Do you really think that no matter what some people do, no matter how hard they try that they will never be able to make a better life for themselves?
NO, I said people can move up and down classes, but those that go up, owe part of their success to the failure/ or lack of attempt of the others that remained behind.
If I can do it, then so can anyone.
Yes, but the odds are harder as an orphan with aids, and no decent ed...
People HAVE made it to the top that had a single mother of 2, who had three jobs, and leaves them in day-care. So if ONE person can do it, then ALL can if they try hard enough.
Those kids have likely been raised without love (day care people), their values could easily deteriorate, and serious mistakes could be made by them... the cycle repeats itself...
It sounds like you live in a dark sad world where the is little to no hope of the average Joe making a better life for oneself. If I thought that it was truly that hopeless, I think I would have much different beliefs, but then again if I can make something of myself, then anyone can if they really try.
I live in the real world, true I have almost everything I want, and I've got no serious probs., I don't need to work to make a living, but I've seen the world, I've gotten outside my palace.
The middle class of western nations are truly spoiled brats when you think of it. You'll probably live to 100-120 given the biotechnology available in the next 10-20 years, yet you continue to have such a pessimistic and envious view of the world.
You know physical pain is far more bearable than psychological pain. Having ones priorities distorted by society and investing thousands to be part of a social group, and to be in... that is a prob. we may be better than many of those in the past, but there is no denying that deprivation from freedom in one way or another is still not acceptable.
Perhaps middle class people might envy being able to not work, but wealthy people generally LIKE working.
There's a BIG difference between working because you want to, and doing it because you have to...
Since $1 means alot less to me, than to someone much poorer, having to pay $1 isn't a "sacrifice", therefore, they say, it is not fair that I do not experience the pain/burden/inconvenience of having big chunks of my income taken.
Good point.
Its not the idea of spending or living that wealth I think is a problem but the shere over accumulation\concentration...
Good point.
However, this assumes that the market values things 'correctly'. Perhaps it would if the market were really 'free', but it is tightly controlled by (surprise, surprise) the very people it benefits! In other words, the rich (as a class) control how the market values various kinds of labor, and therefore the market rewards the things that the rich do.
This market control is enforced through the violent, coercive power of the state--acting in defense of "property rights" which are freedoms only for those who have property. And the people who benefit most from the system--those who rely on the coercive power of the state to force people to clean their toilets or make their shoes, or do other work they would never dream of doing, at wages kept low so the wealthy's buying power remains high--the same people complain that they have to give too large a portion of their share of the spoils to keep the system going!
Good point.
It is the great success of Western liberal democracies that they have found such a compromise formula. I think it is astonishing that the people who are benefitting most from the current system are demanding to tear it down by going to extremes of economic injustice that will invite social instability.
What I say is similar to what the gov. actually does, so I really wonder about all these people who want to change things drastically in favor of those on top...
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