Wait for <$100 5600 or jump on 3600 and B450 mobo for $130?

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I found this prebuilt that seems to be much, much better than anything else at its price (1000 USD). 12700F + 6700XT 12GB + the rest of a whole computer including Windows already assembled. It doesn’t allow changing of any parts and there’s definitely some things I’d like to change, but nothing else in this price range comes close to this in performance. Am I missing something obvious? Is the DDR4-3000 memory config going to be a big problem?
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The OEM OS cost over retail (won't go into alternatives) gives this a bit of an advantage pricing wise.

But it's not a huge savings, $955 build without OS - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JZ4B3y

Better CPU, better heatsink, better ram. Not sure how the rest compare exactly as I can't see the details of that prebuilt.

Just did it quickly in a minute with near similar, might do better if you optimize.
 
Thanks. I guess for a prebuilt it's a good option but I don't have a problem putting my own PC together like I've always done. I'm probably gonna do something like this:

I'm not sure about the details but that is basically what I'm looking for. Not gonna get an expensive PSU that lacks the new connector. I'll stick with something cheap and get a new PSU when I get a new GPU if necessary. By then ATX3.0 should be far more available.

I would like a case with lots of USB ports. 3+ USB-A and at least 1 USB-C would be great. I'm seeing so many cases that have 2 USB ports and no 5.25in bays to add more. My current case has 5 USB ports; 2 built-in USB3.0 and 3 more USB2.0 in a front bay. I tend to use most of them (Charge headset, Xbox controller, charge Kindle, flash drive, charge phone occasionally).
 
What motherboard is good for a 13700K and DDR5-6000? Also WiFi would be good. I don’t remember motherboard’s being so expensive.
 
I'd wait to see if there is a price drop after the next release of gpus or cpus. Would also use google to check if there might be any current issues existing component parts.
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If the MB lacks WiFi you could pick up a usb network adapter. Recently I got an ASUS AX1800 Dual Band WiFi 6 USB Adapter that works quite well and can be used for bandwidth upgrades in my other wireless devices.
Amazon and Newegg might offer other wifi adapter options, though this particular adapter is similarly priced.
 
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I'd wait to see if there is a price drop after the next release of gpus or cpus. Would also use google to check if there might be any current issues existing component parts.
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I don’t mind waiting but I’ve been waiting for nearly a decade. Still running an i7-3770k and GTX970.
 
I'm looking at this motherboard. Why are there so many CPU power sockets on it? The PSU I want doesn't have enough which is something I've never run into.

There's no way that PSU is incapable of powering this PC. The 2nd EPS connector is superfluous? This PSU is almost $100 and does have enough connectors but I'd rather get the SeaSonic.

Anyway this is the build I'm looking at. Anyone see any problems or have suggestions?

Also what's the deal with PCIe5.0 SSD support? Only the super expensive Z790 boards seem to support it on the M.2 slot and it's not clear if that can be used at the same time as the 5.0x16 slot. Not relevant now but when I'm still using this thing in 2033 it might be important :mrgreen:
 
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I found this prebuilt that seems to be much, much better than anything else at its price (1000 USD). 12700F + 6700XT 12GB + the rest of a whole computer including Windows already assembled. It doesn’t allow changing of any parts and there’s definitely some things I’d like to change, but nothing else in this price range comes close to this in performance. Am I missing something obvious? Is the DDR4-3000 memory config going to be a big problem?
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The ddr is going to be pretty poor for sure but that is only $30-50 to replace imo. I'd try and find out if its a standard mobo/ case or something custom. Could cause issues with upgrading down the line
 
eastmen said:
The ddr is going to be pretty poor for sure but that is only $30-50 to replace imo. I'd try and find out if its a standard mobo/ case or something custom. Could cause issues with upgrading down the line
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I just realized DDR4 comes in ludicrous speeds. DDR4-4800 should be vastly superior to DDR5-4800 because of the latency right?

I can't tell what kind of B660M mobo is in that prebuilt. How likely is it that it will support DDR4-4600 or DDR4-4800?

I think I'm gonna get the prebuilt and upgrade the RAM. I have SSDs laying around so the 500GB isn't a problem.
 
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I just realized DDR4 comes in ludicrous speeds. DDR4-4800 should be vastly superior to DDR5-4800 because of the latency right?

I can't tell what kind of B660M mobo is in that prebuilt. How likely is it that it will support DDR4-4600 or DDR4-4800?
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I'm more of an amd guy but as far as I know none of the chips use that ram outside of over clocked specs '

Look at this https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660M-DS3H-DDR4-rev-10/sp#sp

  1. Support for DDR4 5333(O.C.)/ DDR4 5133(O.C.)/DDR4 5000(O.C.)/4933(O.C.)/4800(O.C.)/ 4700(O.C.)/ 4600(O.C.)/ 4500(O.C.)/ 4400(O.C.)/ 4300(O.C.)/4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3800(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3666(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C.) / 3400(O.C.) / 3333(O.C.) / 3300(O.C.) / 3200/3000/2933/2666/2400/2133 MT/s memory modules

For ddr4 vs 5 i think performance would be pretty much a toss up between them. With intel you are going to have to toss the board if you do a real cpu upgrade anyway. So you might as well go for more of the ddr 4 ram if its cheaper
 
eastmen said:
I'm more of an amd guy but as far as I know none of the chips use that ram outside of over clocked specs '

Look at this https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660M-DS3H-DDR4-rev-10/sp#sp

  1. Support for DDR4 5333(O.C.)/ DDR4 5133(O.C.)/DDR4 5000(O.C.)/4933(O.C.)/4800(O.C.)/ 4700(O.C.)/ 4600(O.C.)/ 4500(O.C.)/ 4400(O.C.)/ 4300(O.C.)/4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3800(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3666(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C.) / 3400(O.C.) / 3333(O.C.) / 3300(O.C.) / 3200/3000/2933/2666/2400/2133 MT/s memory modules

For ddr4 vs 5 i think performance would be pretty much a toss up between them. With intel you are going to have to toss the board if you do a real cpu upgrade anyway. So you might as well go for more of the ddr 4 ram if its cheaper
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DDR4 beyond 3200MHz is technically overclocked as far as I know. The 4000MHz+ sticks I'm looking at call for 1.5V which seems crazy, but I guess it's fine. Maybe.
 
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DDR4 beyond 3200MHz is technically overclocked as far as I know. The 4000MHz+ sticks I'm looking at call for 1.5V which seems crazy, but I guess it's fine. Maybe.
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as long as the case has enough cooling. I don't think the small differences in speed are going to change too much
 
eastmen said:
as long as the case has enough cooling. I don't think the small differences in speed are going to change too much
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You mean it won't make much performance difference or compatibility? It's not exactly a small difference in speed going from 3000MHz to 4400+MHz.
 
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You mean it won't make much performance difference or compatibility? It's not exactly a small difference in speed going from 3000MHz to 4400+MHz.
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the faster ram will be faster for sure but it may not actually amount to much in general usage and gaming. You might only realyl see it in synthetic benchmarks. I am sure between 3000 and 5000 or whatever ddr 5 there is a point where the price jumps a lot between the speeds. I would just buy whatever it is before that point. Frankly to me its a waste to buy ram for a single mobo / cpu . On amd I would say go with the newer am5 sockets with ddr 5 and then buy really fast ddr 5 because you can upgrade the cpu likely 1-3 more generations on the same mobo
 
eastmen said:
the faster ram will be faster for sure but it may not actually amount to much in general usage and gaming. You might only realyl see it in synthetic benchmarks. I am sure between 3000 and 5000 or whatever ddr 5 there is a point where the price jumps a lot between the speeds. I would just buy whatever it is before that point. Frankly to me its a waste to buy ram for a single mobo / cpu . On amd I would say go with the newer am5 sockets with ddr 5 and then buy really fast ddr 5 because you can upgrade the cpu likely 1-3 more generations on the same mobo
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Yea from what I can tell, RAM speed isn't very important on Intel right now. I just makes me nervous to be running literally half the memory bandwidth as my preferred build with DDR5-6000.

It reminds me of when I decided to get a 3770K over a 3550. At the time it didn't make sense, but a few years later games started to really suffer on 4 threads.

BTW it's funny that I still approach my PC builds like I did when I was in college and had no money. $500 ($1000 prebuilt vs $1500 custom build) on something I will use daily for 5+ years and I'm agonizing over it. :mrgreen:
 
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Yea from what I can tell, RAM speed isn't very important on Intel right now. I just makes me nervous to be running literally half the memory bandwidth as my preferred build with DDR5-6000.

It reminds me of when I decided to get a 3770K over a 3550. At the time it didn't make sense, but a few years later games started to really suffer on 4 threads.

BTW it's funny that I still approach my PC builds like I did when I was in college and had no money. $500 ($1000 prebuilt vs $1500 custom build) on something I will use daily for 5+ years and I'm agonizing over it. :mrgreen:
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I feel you , that is why I just did the microcenter deal which is now back again if you are any where near a mc or have friend near one that can ship the stuff to you.

I also do the same with my pc builds. I could have just dropped $1600 on a 4090 but I would feel super irresponsible with the way lay offs are happening and everything . I keep thinking to myself hey that $1600 can pay for one of our 3 mortgages if I am laid off.
 
I ordered the stuff last night. It was pretty similar to what I already posted. Went with 13600K instead of 13700K.
GIGABYTE Z790 UD AC - https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145420?Item=N82E16813145420
13600K
6700XT - https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx6700xtmech-2x12goc/p/N82E16814137640?Item=N82E16814137640
32GB DDR5-5600 - https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331848?Item=N82E16820331848
1TB Corsair MP600 - https://www.newegg.com/corsair-1tb-force-mp600/p/N82E16820236824?Item=N82E16820236824
Cougar MX330-G Case - https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553033?Item=N82E16811553033
2 Fans - https://www.newegg.com/cooler-maste...se-fan/p/N82E16835103304?Item=N82E16835103304
DeepCool AK400 - https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-ak400/p/N82E16835856202?Item=N82E16835856202
CORSAIR RM750e - https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rm750e-750-w/p/N82E16817139300?Item=N82E16817139300

The case seems like an odd choice but I picked it because it has lots of USB ports and a 5.25in bay so I can add more or some type C ones. The "nice" cases that cost 2-3x more have a pathetic number of USB ports and no front bay to add more.

I would've tried an AIO watercooler but I've had people bring in their PCs to the shop I used to work at with watercoolers having leaked all over their mobo and GPU, completely destroying it. And these were higher end Corsair watercoolers.

I also ordered a monitor even though I have lots of monitors laying around, this one is 144Hz: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824236821?Item=N82E16824236821

Overall I spent more than I would've liked on the PSU and motherboard and RAM. The rest is pretty much in line with what I normally spend on this stuff.
 
Haven't had an AMD GPU since the 7950 and that was a secondary rig that I gave to my brother. The last team red card I used in my main rig was a Rage 128. Interested to see how this works out.
 
I decided on the 13600K over the 13700K because almost all of the benchmarks I saw had them essentially tied. Since I placed the order I've seen more recent testing show the 13700K/13900K with a decent lead over the 13600K. Interestingly it has almost nothing to do with the extra 2 cores.
The 13900K loses virtually nothing by disabling 2 of the P cores. It's the extra L3 cache or something else making the difference. Wish I'd known this a few days ago :LOL: but in a couple years I always have the option of swapping to a 13700K, and the 13600K will still be so, so much better than my 3770K. My old build originally had a i5-3550. Upgrading to a 3770K a couple years later was a smart choice. Plus I don't see it mattering very much with a 6700XT (which I will also upgrade in a couple years).

At the end of the day I'd much rather be GPU limited than CPU limited. The stuttering caused by CPU limitation feel worse to me than GPU drops. The poor performance of my 3770K feels bad in a way that is more distracting than what I experience when I set the resolution too high. It's like when I'm CPU limited, performance is inconsistent when I need it the most (lots of stuff going on). And there is nothing I can do about it (changing settings/resolution etc.).
 
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Posting this from the new computer. Mostly. The case hasn't come in yet so I put it in a generic OEM case I found laying around the office. TBH it works fine.

Newegg did me a big solid and redirected the package to my house so it could be delivered on the weekend. Otherwise I would've had to wait until Monday for it to be delivered to my office. I know Newegg has gotten a bad rap wrt customer service but they went above and beyond to help me out here. The package was waiting at the UPS distribution center in my town so I just called Newegg and explained the situation and the next day (today) it showed up.

This thing is very snappy. Even basic stuff is noticeably faster than my old one.

Question: How does Windows Sonic for headphones compare to Atmos for headphones? It's unclear to me if these things are comparable, and how to even know if they're working.
 
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