WhiningKhan
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And so much for "quality and exclusivity" as well on that front.
Variable Refresh Rate topic *spawn*
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And so much for "quality and exclusivity" as well on that front.
DegustatoR
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That VESA standard was created by VESA for eDP applications. What AMD did is pushed VESA (which is a standardization organization consisting of a couple of dozens companies Nvidia including) to make this same standard an optional part of DP 1.4a specification. Hardly qualifies as "created the standard" don't you think?
Not really, "Freesync" is supported on X/1 series OLEDs and Samsung TVs. I have no idea though if that's actually Freesync (as in the same HDMI Freesync which was made by AMD years ago) or just Freesync s/w layer on top of HDMI VRR (same as Gsync over HDMI).
"Traction" here meaning that the PC monitor industry can't figure out how to make a proper PC HDR monitor for about five years now? What's that have to do with Nvidia? Do they make monitors too now?
At least to my understanding Adaptive-sync while using same technologies is not the same implementation of said technologies as in eDP. AMD created another implementation of them, tested it and submitted it to VESA.
There has been several displays that spec-wise should fit the bill but chose not to implement G-Sync module. Probably too expensive with all the added costs. DisplayHDR 600 requiring much less makes it more feasible to add G-Sync Module + cooling costs
DegustatoR
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There are zero displays which use FALD but don't use Gsync h/w. The problem isn't cost of the module, the problem is the cost of FALD which makes these monitors way too expensive. The relaxation of requirement allowed the display manufactures to put the same h/w into cheaper models - basically it was done because they asked Nv to allow this since having Gsync h/w inside means higher sales usually.
Bondrewd
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Wat.
Monitors are just overpriced toys; see FALD TVs.
False.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSync
Until HDMI 2.1 launched, there was G-sync and there was Freesync. One is a closed box, the other one is using an open standard.
HDMI 2.1 converged on a single format for VRR.
Monitors with DP converged on Freesync which nvidia re-branded as gync-compatible. But there are still DP monitors and older TV's that are G-sync exclusive.
Monitors with HDMI <2.1 were always freesync.
DegustatoR
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Have you seen them? They have loads of issues with FALD lags. It's expensive to make a proper FALD driving h/w - which is what Gsync Ultimate h/w module is.
What you've quoted proves what I've said.
Bondrewd
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They're specifically designed like that.
Complex algos I know, pain in the butt to handle.
Dawg a fucking tablet (genuine sub-like-7mm thick slate) now drives a 2k zone FALD setup.
(but handles it the same way FALD monitors do, i.e. haloing city).
A fucking Altera FPGA because man are the volumes are literal misery for high-end gaming monitors.
I meant exactly what I wrote with the words I chose.
The rest of your post is personal opinion and only reflects normal practices of any company trying to compete with each other products (as opposed to mafia tactics such as GPP).
DegustatoR
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You should go and see what you're talking about before claiming that a tablet is capable of driving a FALD at 144Hz with VRR.
Bondrewd
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FYI, the new iPad Pro drives a very very highres 120Hz 2k zone miniLED panel just fine.
It even glows like shit on text and clips blacks here and there much the same way uber-expensive joke monitors do...
Your pre-edited post said " Wikipedia is wrong" (!!!). Now you edited to say "what you quoted proves what I've said".
Ignoring the "elasticity" demonstrated to win arguments at any costs, you said that freesync is far from an open standard. Wikipedia, explicitly sates Freesync uses and I quote:
No, there is HDMI VRR and Freesync. One is a open standard, the other is proprietary. nVidia and Microsoft support HDMI VRR with HDMI 2.0.
DegustatoR
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Yeah because what you've quoted is actually right and proves what I've said.
And this is where it's wrong because it doesn't in fact use "publicly-available protocols" in case of HDMI.
Does it have VRR?
I can't find anything supporting the concept of freesync being proprietary.
Freesync is simply AMD's trademarked implementation of the Vesa Adaptive Sync, which is an open standard.
DegustatoR
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There are no VESA Adaptive Sync on HDMI.
Also the fact that something uses "publicly available protocols" doesn't mean that its not proprietary. Can you point me to where I can freely download Freesync s/w layer to freely use it in my project?
You cannot change the definition of proprietary to suit you case. Its a trademark. AMD cannot claim propriety of open standards. Wiki sates it uses open standards. But that excuse is indeed better than calling wikipedia "wrong".
The HDMI freesync version does not invalidate any of this discussion, as long as there exists freesync using vesa standards you cannot claim it proprietary. Its a trademark that covers both free and proprietary in older hdmi products.
Despite the protests, G-Sync will never become an industry standard. Manufacturers using the G-sync branding on their own displays that already feature an alternative VRR implementation should not be taken as a sign of victory when it is ZERO ADDED work for the other IHVs to support them. On the other hand implementing two different variable refresh rate technology is virtually an admission of defeat since it adds redundancy to the overall SW/HW stack and is harder to maintain two independent standards ...
In the end, no other IHVs will ever implement G-sync and most manufacturers don't care to participate either hence the slow down of releases with this technology. G-sync will inevitably be phased out ...
In the end, no other IHVs will ever implement G-sync and most manufacturers don't care to participate either hence the slow down of releases with this technology. G-sync will inevitably be phased out ...
HDMI Freesync is proprietary. Is not compatible with HDMI VRR.
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