Trilinear Filtering Comparison(R420 vs R360 vs NV40 vs NV38)

[StarGazer]

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...and nothing else happens.

Java not enabled and/or wrong version. (my case)

I've tried with M$ JVM and Sun. No joy. And yes, java/javascript is enabled... Too many people trying to get it?

 

[2senile]

"The DoubleCross". Rather ironic title .... imo, of course.

 

[Hellbinder]

Andy/Raja We try to keep the control panel as simple as possible (even as its complexity increases), and if the image quality is identical or better there doesn't seem to be a need to turn it off. However, if our users request otherwise and can demonstrate that it's worthwhile, we would consider adding an option to the control panel.

Wow that is kind of an arrogant answer. I'm suprised he would put it that way.

If they need to keep their cheats, then all reviews should be invalid since it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Good Grief. Let me introduce you to a friend of mine. His name is LOGIC.

If we follow your reasoning then ALL f Nvidias benchmarks with DX9 need to get disallowed for the last year. Becuase its not "apples to aples". Heck lets toss all of ATi's Benchmarks since the R200 out as well. Sinvce its not "Apples to apples". Lets toss out all the FSAA comparrisons ever done because its not "apples to apples".. The list could go on for a long time.

Are you getting the point yet?

ATi's new methos removes mipmap boundries just like Full Trilinear. If they were smart enough to come up with a performance saving method with the same results you should be cheering from the rooftops.

 

[AlphaWolf]

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Java not enabled and/or wrong version. (my case)

I've tried with M$ JVM and Sun. No joy. And yes, java/javascript is enabled... Too many people trying to get it?

It doesn't load fast or anything. If you are spamming refresh, you may want to try not doing that. Give it a minute or so.

 

[Malfunction]

Wow, some of those questions so far are so vague you get nothing but what thier "Official Response" that Driver Heaven recieved had already answered.

Can you say, "Scripted?"

Today will go down in history... as the not so live "Live" chat. lmao...

they are only answering questions that they can reply to with reworded versions of the press statement

And the point of the chat would be...

I'm impressed... lol

 

[hovz]

hb plz dont try to excuse atis obvious cheating

 

[Hellbinder]

"The DoubleCross". Rather ironic title .... imo, of course.

The new method gives The same results as full trilinear. You would be accurate if they were noticably reducing Quality.

They are not.

 

[Kombatant]

The chat's not over guys... the java plugin that they used was never intended to handle so much traffic; i think it has crashed on them several times

I find this whole thing quite hilarious here, I wonder who had the idea to have a chat like that via a java applet and not via irc...

 

[nutball]

I wonder how relevant the contents of my wallet are to their definition of "worthwhile" :?

Depends on the contents, but the 3 year old condom, drivers license, & the picture that came with the wallet probably aren't very worthwhile.

Hey! It may be 3 years old, but it's well used and has a very good track record!

(I'll hush now because it's kinda OT and smacks more of the chat in the General Discussion forum)

 

[StarGazer]

Please allow a moment for the applet to load.

...and nothing else happens.

Java not enabled and/or wrong version. (my case)

I've tried with M$ JVM and Sun. No joy. And yes, java/javascript is enabled... Too many people trying to get it?

It doesn't load fast or anything. If you are spamming refresh, you may want to try not doing that. Give it a minute or so.

I gave it 5
Meh, I'll just read what the guys posted (or will post). Thanks!

 

[Hellbinder]

hb plz dont try to excuse atis obvious cheating

Dude.. are you serious...

I am not even going to address that. Even Bloodbob has come to the conclusion that they are not cheating.

This is just getting rediculous. You guys can all read the numerous posts from people at this site clearly explaining what Bilinear and Trilinear filtering is and what it is supposed to accomplish.

Yet you are still making posts like this???

 

[Hanners]

Meh, I'll just read what the guys posted (or will post). Thanks!

I've got the log as it stands so far up here.

 

[Malfunction]

hb plz dont try to excuse atis obvious cheating

Dude.. are you serious...

I am not even going to address that. Even Bloodbob has come to the conclusion that they are not cheating.

This is just getting rediculous. You guys can all read the numerous posts from people at this site clearly explaining what Bilinear and Trilinear filtering is and what it is supposed to accomplish.

Yet you are still making posts like this???

Ya, I get it now:

ATi: "Hey, let's introduce this really cool AF algorithm and not tell anyone about it, how it works or the benefits of using it. This way, when they ask us about our Full Trilinear techniques, we can be grilled about it because we never mentioned what we were doing for so long!"

Ya, that appears to be a very sound decision...

 

[DemoCoder]

If we discount this driver optimization, does this mean, hardware wise, the XT is losing to the 6800U in texture fillrate benchmarks? Has anyone adjusted their benchmarks or ran them with colored mips? If so, this would be surprising given the extra memory bandwidth and fillrate of the XT.

 

[Stryyder]

ATI position: We are giving you the same IQ with better perfromance

Chat questioners position: Why are you cheating, when will you turn off you perfromance inhancing non IQ degrading cheats so that the NV40 will kick your ass. blah blah blah blah

Result Boring fing chat

 

[StarGazer]

Cheers Hanners!

 

[Evildeus]

Fight, introducing the fight of the year, the century....
Nvidiots vs Fanatics 8)

 

[Stryyder]

hb plz dont try to excuse atis obvious cheating

Dude.. are you serious...

I am not even going to address that. Even Bloodbob has come to the conclusion that they are not cheating.

This is just getting rediculous. You guys can all read the numerous posts from people at this site clearly explaining what Bilinear and Trilinear filtering is and what it is supposed to accomplish.

Yet you are still making posts like this???

Ya, I get it now:

ATi: "Hey, let's introduce this really cool AF algorithm and not tell anyone about it, how it works or the benefits of using it. This way, when they ask us about our Full Trilinear techniques, we can be grilled about it because we never mentioned what we were doing for so long!"

Ya, that appears to be a very sound decision...

Thats exactly whats happening ATI did something good and are getting fried for it because they did not tell anyone about it... kind of ironic.

 

[Evildeus]

If we discount this driver optimization, does this mean, hardware wise, the XT is losing to the 6800U in texture fillrate benchmarks? Has anyone adjusted their benchmarks or ran them with colored mips? If so, this would be surprising given the extra memory bandwidth and fillrate of the XT.

Would be interesting to test this.

 

[2senile]

"The DoubleCross". Rather ironic title .... imo, of course.

The new method gives The same results as full trilinear. You would be accurate if they were noticably reducing Quality.

They are not.

Maybe it does tho I feel betrayed that one of the answers so casually dismissed the idea of allowing me to choose the optimisation or full trilinear for myself.

It is not what i wanted or hoped to hear. Again, imo, this is not a PR triumph for ATi thus far.