The way to stop WMD proliferation?

Oh that is just BS. Peace groups only complaining about non lethal weapons. Stop taking so much for granted from fox news. Peace groups are concerned with warfare in general and if any scrutiny about so called non lethal weapons is being had its because any new weapons systems should be scrutinized.

And of course the reasonable suspicion that these so called no lethal weapons are in fact only a propaganda ploy to engage in warfare sooner that would otherwise happen and wouldnt likely prevent an escalation to traditional weaponry isnt something we should take lightly...
 
Umm, #1, I don't watch Fox News, in fact, I don't watch much TV at all. Secondly, it is in fact, "peace" groups protesting these weapons. These groups protest any new weapons technology, regardless of whether it is "more humane", the same way anti-nuke groups protest cleaner fission reactors, or nuclear waste disposal sites, because they are opposed to nuclear power itself. And puhlease, "riot control" non-lethal weapons are not going to be used in wartime. You really think the US Army is going to go out with "superglue/foam/soaker" guns against AK-47s?

Most of these non-lethal weapons are being developed for crowd control/snatch and grab/rescue operations, not military warfare, as alternatives to rubber bullets and bean bags which are too lethal and not able to subdue large crowds. Many non-lethals fall into the category of super-lube weapons, super foam guns, super slime-glue guns, "heat" guns (microwave), "vortex" guns (wind machines), fog machines, and ultra-sound.

The idea that the US military is using non-lethals to sell us on a bloodless war where no one gets killed is ludicrous. I haven't see any such assertions from the government. What we are being sold is "minimal collateral damage" weapons (smart bombs), and "minimal american lives" standoff weapons (fight from a distance, remote control)

When Bush or Rumsfeld gets up and says "today, we can use lasers, superfoam, and microwaves to win his war without killing anyone", I'll start worrying about non-lethals propaganda.

Until then, this issue is a Red Herring being sold by leftist groups to oppose any new weapons development because of their hatred of the military industry complex, and luddite fantasies, you know, the kids who grew up watching OCP in Robocop or Cyberdyne in T2 and thinking that Boeing and Lockheed executives work the same way.

At best, you could make a claim that cops are more likely to use a non-lethals on crowds because it is perceived as being less damaging. You would be correct. Cops use pepperspray, tear gas, and water cannons more than they resort to rubber bullets. AND? So what. I don't have a problem with police using water cannons, and I wouldn't have a problem with them using "super foam" or "super lube" on mobs. Just because "super foam" is new, doesn't mean it's any more evil than water cannon.

The biggest problem with non-lethals is that they aren't. They are "less lethal". The Russian "mystery gas" used to storm the Moscow theater is the best example. Pretty much anything can kill someone. A taser shock, a blow to the kidneys. There's no such thing as a weapon that's 100% non-lethal.





And frankly, comparing US posession of battlefield "dazzler" prototypes to rogue states possessing WMD is quite ludicrous. Yet another leftist fantasy that the P5 security council states should give up all their weapons just because rogue states have to. You know, those nuts who show up in threads defending North Korea's right to have nuclear weapons just because we have them.

p.s. it's not just "leftists" I'll concede that there are also the right wing nuts who watched too many Stephen King movies about "the shop" and X-Files exotic government conspiracies/weapons that criticize these weapons. Those types who believe in Area 51, "chemtrails", CIA mind control via microwaves, who build bunkers, and prepare for survival when the end comes, and the CIA/Aliens come for everyone. But they don't have the legitimacy that, for example, "Human Rights" Watch has.
 
DemoCoder said:
Those types who believe in Area 51, "chemtrails", CIA mind control via microwaves, who build bunkers, and prepare for survival when the end comes, and the CIA/Aliens come for everyone. But they don't have the legitimacy that, for example, "Human Rights" Watch has.


Area 51 in fact exists. What exactly they do there... I dunno.
 
ByteMe said:
Area 51 in fact exists. What exactly they do there... I dunno.

I left out a word, I meant to say "Area 51 aliens"

Don't forget the Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commision, Free Masons, and Elders of Zion. :)
 
DemoCoder said:
ByteMe said:
Area 51 in fact exists. What exactly they do there... I dunno.

I left out a word, I meant to say "Area 51 aliens"

Don't forget the Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commision, Free Masons, and Elders of Zion. :)

I bet there are area 51 aliens. I would also bet they are legal.
 
Its just I find you generalize the left too much demo. I have no probs with attempts at deving tech that may render war less bloody. EMP is certainly one attempt. Smart mines as well. And various tech to knock soldiers out in the field like the ultra violet directed high voltage zapper (more crowd control at first that one tho yea). Of course no one expects an army to walk into the field of battle with only those weapons. But with time and work Im sure milder ways of warfare will continue to be developped. Im really impressed with sat guided bombs for one...

God knows carpet bombing needed to go the way of the dodo in civilian areas.
 
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