So it's CPU limited, which means XeCPU is faster than Cell! 
The Technology of GTA IV/RDR *Rage Engine*
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if PS3 version always have V-sync and X360 not (over 2 VBL) then it's more easy to have a better average fps in X360 version if GPU don't Wait V-sync whereas PS3 version lost GPU time to wait V-sync at every frame
With no V-sync PS3 averafe FPS would be little better (but with tearing of course)
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Lower resolutions might also help when you are seriously memory constrained.
It might very well be GPU limited but given the quantity and quality of the stuff on screen I wouldn't be suprised if the game is not generally GPU limited.
If i look at other PS3 games i would say it was Developer limited. "Clearly" is a very hard word to use here by the way. Unless you maybe know something we dont?
Cool, so I'm not insane
Now I have to wonder wtf is wrong with these other online mags. Are they playing a different game? Very strange. This comment was interesting regarding the PS3 blur:"The upscale and resultant blur helps to make the game look a touch more movie-like; less rendered and less 'gamey' if you will - a good combination for a mainstream audience."
Thats kind of what I was thinking, that perhaps some people viewed it as more cinematic. If true though, then it does not bode well for blu-ray movies when viewed against regular upscaled dvd's.
The only thing I don't get in that article is why they compare it to Burnout Paradise. It's not really a fair comparison, Burnout is far more constrained and predictable than GTA4 is, and no where near as graphically intense at its peak. Aside from that its a good comparison piece that finally helps put to rest a lot of the online fud fest. I guess the only thing left now if for the inevitable "lazy devs" comments to start flowing
nAo said:
This could be a fluke as far as the types of games you and me have encountered, but so far every game I've encountered (from talks with the devs) have largely still been gpu limited.
That's true. I just wouldn't say that the lower res and AA of the PS3 version is necessarily representative of the systems abilities.
20% different average is standard fare for what happens when you run two identical tests, one with VSync off, one with on. In fact it's almost exactly the difference I've observed when doing similar tests in my own work.-tkf said:
If anything this suggests that internal fps is really close. I wonder if people could bully T2 to patch in a VSync toggle for PS3 version one day.
Yeah, flexibility of Xenos probably helps a lot in case of GTA, but I do think the game would benefit a lot from a better LOD system.
I'm curious, do you think the game would still suffer visually on PS3 if it was the lead version?
Xenos Hi-Z cache is only sufficient to hold 720p w/ 2xAA. If they are doing a z-prepass, 4x becomes more expensive then simply the cross tile vertex cost.
so are we saying that the dithering may have been done on purpose on the 360 to bring the builds closer to parity for marketing reasons?
exactly I've yet to notice one instance of tearing on my machine (12 hours play time)
exactly I've yet to notice one instance of tearing on my machine (12 hours play time)
I get ya - I meant GPU limited as programmed which could be developer limited certainly. IMHO the game is good on both platforms though so I've no wish to slam the dev.
That would be a stupid move, rather go for the 640p and kick the dither in the nuts. And obtain 100% equal versions incl V-Sync.
I am very satisfied with the game and i love Rockstar North. That being said, the technical aspects and choices that were made on both versions annoy me and doesn´t impress me as much as the game does.
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The thing is that torn frames on Xbox 360 are very rare - certainly in the test clips. Considering that the first Eurogamer test alone is averaged over 16,000 frames (!!) you'd need a huge amount of torn frames to show a 5fps difference in the overall average.
The fact is that they are there, but certainly not in anywhere near the quantity to meaningfully affect the test.
Agreed. Maybe I wasn't clear. Burnout Paradise is doing what it's doing pretty much identically across both platforms. It's streaming in the entire game world from optical disc. There's no mandatory or indeed optional hard disk installation.
The point is that GTA IV is also doing all of the above... but only on Xbox 360.
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Those that keep saying Vsync need to read this.