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IMO, Daenerys deeds were in character and it hasn't been a rushed, sudden, unexpected change. That's, I think, the only thing I can concede. But then we have this:

Regarding Tyrion, common, it's yet another case of rose tinted glasses. He is smart, but problem solving smart. He was never particularly socially smart. Have you forgotten about Shae? He was nearly killed because he trusted a hooker! In the world of GoT? That was incredibly naive and dumb and he almost died for it if not for his brother saving him! Just like Jon Snow he has too much a good heart and believes in people. He believed Shae like he always believed in his sister to not be as evil. This was not out of character, he was ALWAYS like this.

Plus, I see nothing wrong with how Cersei went down, although I can understand some people would have preferred for different endings. That is indeed more of a choice of preference than fitting the character or not, unlike Daenerys or Tyrion.
 
Since we're quoting articles that conveniently have the same opinion as ours, https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/...eason-8-episode-5-reviews-worst-show-history/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/game-of-thrones/s08/e05 here, even some of the 'good' reviews will agree that there were problems.

It's not us (the viewers), it's them (the creators).

You can only defend it so much. When so many people have an issue with parts of the episode, then you can't just call them all stupid (or lacking attention span? Come on!).
 
Since we're quoting articles that conveniently have the same opinion as ours, https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/...eason-8-episode-5-reviews-worst-show-history/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/game-of-thrones/s08/e05 here, even some of the 'good' reviews will agree that there were problems.

It's not us (the viewers), it's them (the creators).

You can only defend it so much. When so many people have an issue with parts of the episode, then you can't just call them all stupid (or lacking attention span? Come on!).

There are issues and matters of different opinions about how things should have went.

A completely different thing though is to say that situations didn't fit the characters when there is more than enough proof and facts to sustain that it did fit!

You want to have your opinion about the episode fine, no one is forcing you to like it. The matter here is, and always been, a completely incorrect assessment that events didn't fit the characters.
 
There are issues and matters of different opinions about how things should have went.

A completely different thing though is to say that situations didn't fit the characters when there is more than enough proof and facts to sustain that it did fit!

You want to have your opinion about the episode fine, no one is forcing you to like it. The matter here is, and always been, a completely incorrect assessment that events didn't fit the characters.
From the very beginning, I said that I didn't disagree with WHAT actually happened. I didn't agree with HOW we got there.

It left a weird taste in my mouth, so I went online to see if I was the only one, maybe I was crazy, and it turns out that no, I'm not crazy!

Stop being so defensive.
 
From the very beginning, I said that I didn't disagree with WHAT actually happened. I didn't agree with HOW we got there.

It left a weird taste in my mouth, so I went online to see if I was the only one, maybe I was crazy, and it turns out that no, I'm not crazy!

Stop being so defensive.

You are backtracking, you said this:

Everything worked just right up until she sat there, all scorpions destroyed (even though that was also a bit of a stretch, I'll allow it). But then everything she did after that felt completely out of character, and it's undeniable.

All our discussion has been about this. Did you change your mind then and agree that it wasn't out of character at all? If yes, the discussion is over. If not, then no, you don't actually agree with what happened.
 
You are backtracking, you said this:


All our discussion has been about this. Did you change your mind then and agree that it wasn't out of character at all? If yes, the discussion is over. If not, then no, you don't actually agree with what happened.
I'm pretty sure I wrote that the way it was written, made it FEEL that it was out of character. Because it was not developed enough. That's literally all I've been saying and I'm bored of this now.
 
I'm pretty sure I wrote that the way it was written, made it FEEL that it was out of character. Because it was not developed enough. That's literally all I've been saying and I'm bored of this now.

You and others are really emotional invested in the show and it's characters and go for what feels like then. As opposed to what actually makes sense after 7 seasons of actions and words by the same characters. Hence my conclusion that you were not paying attention to all the details. You "drunk" the characters as you felt them, not how they really were. Kinda like being charmed.
 
You and others are really emotional invested in the show and it's characters and go for what feels like then. As opposed to what actually makes sense after 7 seasons of actions and words by the same characters. Hence my conclusion that you were not paying attention to all the details. You "drunk" the characters as you felt them, not how they really were. Kinda like being charmed.
Feel free to stop accusing me and everyone else of being at fault of anything, whenever you feel like!

Again (and again and again), you keep failing to acknowledge that there were any problems at all with the episode.

You keep accusing literally anyone who wasn't too pleased (and there's a lot of us, as it turns out) of being stupid, and/or not paying enough attention, or being 'too emotional' (?) or whatever you can come up with.

In your opinion the episode was perfect, so much so that anyone trying to make a point that maybe it wasn't perfect, is shut down.

This is not a conversation.

But heck, I'll delegate my explanation to someone who can articulate it even better than I can:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019...n-8-episode-5-bells-review-series-has-ruined/
If you can't see the article, here some parts of it...

Sorry. But no. I just didn’t buy that.

Any of it.

Firstly, and most annoyingly, Daenerys. Look. We know that her father was “The Mad King”. We know that he turned from benevolent ruler to homicidal despot, and threatened to burn his own people alive. We know that, for the sake of the common good (as well as the Lannisters’ good), Jaime had to assassinate him.

But Daenerys, turning out to be even worse than her father? No. The writers simply haven’t earned the right to do that. They just didn’t do enough groundwork. In the previous seven seasons, they had sporadically shown how ruthless Daenerys could be in her thirst for both power and vengeance. But never did they do enough to make it believable that, in The Bells, she would torch innocent, unarmed families by the thousand, long after their city had surrendered.

We were given no reason why she would reduce an entire capital to a smouldering barbecue of blackened flesh. No reason why she would think Cersei’s beheading of Missandei must be avenged by massacring blameless women and children. No reason why, having obliterated the Iron Fleet, she wouldn’t just fly straight to The Red Keep, kill Cersei, and end the battle there and then, without further loss of life.

No reason, other than “Out of the blue she’s gone totally tonto. Look at her mad eyes! Look at her mad hair! She isn’t even bothering to do her make-up any more!”

I made the contrast with Breaking Bad in my review of The Last of the Starks, and it’s worth making again. We believe Walter White could turn from timorous chemistry teacher to monstrous ganglord, because the writers guided us through that transformation, step by tiny step: they made it incremental, natural, logical.

With Daenerys, however, the writers of Game of Thrones did nothing of the kind. In effect, they just shrugged, and asked us to believe that the great crusading heroine of the seven previous seasons, the golden messiah, the people’s princess, the ultimate Social Justice Warrior, had had a funny turn and gone full Genghis Khan.

It was bizarre. And so badly handled. In the end, it wasn’t Varys who betrayed Daenerys. It was the writers. Abruptly, and without clear justification, they’ve taken against their favourite daughter, and plotted to turn us against her, too. They’ve given her terrible dialogue. They’ve shown key characters carping about her behind her back. They’ve shown her aides muttering about her mental state, and her fitness to rule. Somehow, in short, they’ve turned Westeros into an American high school, with everyone bitching bitterly about the new girl, who’s just too pretty for her own damn good. Who does she think she is?

So yes, I can agree with anything that can happen in a TV show, when those events have been written well. What happened here was not written very well, and that is what MADE IT FEEL out of character. If it had been written a little bit better, it wouldn't have felt so out of character. It looks like 50% of the people could suspend disbelief just enough to buy it, but the other 50% called bullshit on it.

Stop being so bloody defensive. It's the coolest thing that you were an extra on it, but stop insulting people's intelligence.
 
Feel free to stop accusing me and everyone else of being at fault of anything, whenever you feel like!

Again (and again and again), you keep failing to acknowledge that there were any problems at all with the episode.

You keep accusing literally anyone who wasn't too pleased (and there's a lot of us, as it turns out) of being stupid, and/or not paying enough attention, or being 'too emotional' (?) or whatever you can come up with.

In your opinion the episode was perfect, so much so that anyone trying to make a point that maybe it wasn't perfect, is shut down.

This is not a conversation.

But heck, I'll delegate my explanation to someone who can articulate it even better than I can:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019...n-8-episode-5-bells-review-series-has-ruined/
If you can't see the article, here some parts of it...



So yes, I can agree with anything that can happen in a TV show, when those events have been written well. What happened here was not written very well, and that is what MADE IT FEEL out of character. If it had been written a little bit better, it wouldn't have felt so out of character. It looks like 50% of the people could suspend disbelief just enough to buy it, but the other 50% called bullshit on it.

Stop being so bloody defensive. It's the coolest thing that you were an extra on it, but stop insulting people's intelligence.

I don't agree with anything that article says. This has absolutely nothing to do with being an extra or not. Like I said, I always expected Daenerys to do this, I was not shocked in the least. The writing was on the the wall all the time. Anyway, it's pointless to continue this as we will never achieve any kind of middle ground, coming from two very divergent expectations about the character.
 
Also, and even more worryingly, HBO actually gave D&D 10 episodes. And they said they could do it in 6! They had a blank cheque to have 10 episodes and then we got this, super very 'entertaining' and amazing looking show, but clearly lacking in the story department.
 
Also, and even more worryingly, HBO actually gave D&D 10 episodes. And they said they could do it in 6! They had a blank cheque to have 10 episodes and then we got this, super very 'entertaining' and amazing looking show, but clearly lacking in the story department.

That's irrelevant as the length of those 6 episodes were roughly the length of 10 in the old seasons. You might not be happy with the content quality, but "quantity" was the same.
 
I have yet to see the latest episode, but as far as I'm concerned the writers made a mess they will never be able to recover from due to what they did in episode three.
I find it hard to care who's gonna be president when Satan himself was just killed off
 
I have yet to see the latest episode, but as far as I'm concerned the writers made a mess they will never be able to recover from due to what they did in episode three.
I find it hard to care who's gonna be president when Satan himself was just killed off

I'm divided about that. It's really a subjective matter.

On one hand you have just, what 5% of all the series focused on the White Walkers? So it kinda made sense that the ending of the show was focused on what was on the front 95% of the time? On the other hand, they were supposed to be a huge threat to life in Westeros but ended going down too easily?

However, if I had to say which part of the show disappointed me more, it was actually something that will also happen in the future on the books:

Jon Snow being resurrected. I found it lame as fuck, breaking the spirit of the books where no one is safe. We can also blame him for *********, as if he was dead, ****** wouldn't have to worry haha. Also, if he was dead, maybe the White Walkers would not have gone down with a wimp and be a larger threat to a divided mankind! Fuck John Snow!!! He fucked up the story.

Edit - Redacted a bit as I realised Sigfried didn't watch the last episode yet.
 
Hmm
I agree that there were plenty of hints Dany would go postal like that & the argument that it was the -now dead- people around her that were holding those tendencies in check/the still living ones have betrayed her is pretty compelling.
I just didn't expect them to actually do it.

I'm mainly upset that there was no good excuse for the Scorpions suddenly becoming completely useless.

I still want to know WTF was up with the wildfire explosions.
 
Also, about the Game of Thrones feeling rushed ...How much longer could they have made those story arcs? They went on for 7.5 seasons already.
 
Also, about the Game of Thrones feeling rushed ...How much longer could they have made those story arcs? They went on for 7.5 seasons already.
Just needed a few more episodes per season imho.
 
Also, about the Game of Thrones feeling rushed ...How much longer could they have made those story arcs? They went on for 7.5 seasons already.
That's not accurate for everything. There are some things that were undoubtedly rushed. Just compare the love between Jon and Ygritte (how it was carefully built and developed) with the sudden love of Jon for Daenerys in what? Two episodes? Every time I hear Jon say "She's ma kween" I just want to puke. Ygritte would, too. Right after imitating his voice, saying "she's my queen", followed up by a "You know nothing, Jon Snow".

Just needed a few more episodes per season imho.
Maybe just a few minutes with key scenes/dialogues would have sufficed in most cases, IMO.
 
That's not accurate for everything. There are some things that were undoubtedly rushed. Just compare the love between Jon and Ygritte (how it was carefully built and developed) with the sudden love of Jon for Daenerys in what? Two episodes? Every time I hear Jon say "She's ma kween" I just want to puke. Ygritte would, too. Right after imitating his voice, saying "she's my queen", followed up by a "You know nothing, Jon Snow".

That's true. I didn't expect for them to fall in "love" to be honest. It would have been more than enough to just be allies. But then again, personally, I never had Jon Snow in high regard, I think he's noble and has the heart on the right place, but he is dumb as fuck.
 
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