The LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread

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icecold1983 said:
im not even arguing, but the fact is in the past 2nd from high end parts have almost always been clearly faster than the previous top of the line.
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http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/geforce-7800gt/index.x?pg=5
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/geforce-7800gt/index.x?pg=7

7800GT vs. X850XT PE

I could go on and on with examples that go even way back further into the past, but there's no such thing as a "fact" as you're trying to present it.

Once more shader intensive applications arrive in the immediate future D3D10 accelerators will widen their current gap to current D3D9.0 GPUs even further and in that regard not even ATI will be able to perform any wonders with ~$400 R600 variants compared to their own high end predecessors.
 
Ailuros said:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/geforce-7800gt/index.x?pg=5
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/geforce-7800gt/index.x?pg=7

7800GT vs. X850XT PE

I could go on and on with examples that go even way back further into the past, but there's no such thing as a "fact" as you're trying to present it.

Once more shader intensive applications arrive in the immediate future D3D10 accelerators will widen their current gap to current D3D9.0 GPUs even further and in that regard not even ATI will be able to perform any wonders with ~$400 R600 variants compared to their own high end predecessors.
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in that review the 7800 gt is noticeably faster in every game except splintercell at high res.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2496&p=5

this review shows the 7800 gt clearly fast in the majority of cases

as does this one

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/nvidia7800gt/index.php?p=1
 
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icecold1983 said:
in that review the 7800 gt is noticeably faster in every game except splintercell at high res.
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And Far Cry. The others were OGL games for which ATi's OGL/AA tweak wasn't active prior to R5x0.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2496&p=5

this review shows the 7800 gt clearly fast in the majority of cases
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Most definitely....not. That link points me to EQ2 for which I'm seeing starting with 1600/4xAA:

X850XT PE= 28 fps
7800GT = 19 fps

That's a 47% difference and with the sole exception of Doom3 there's no clear indication that the 7800GT is any faster than the R480, let alone pose any different performance ballpark as X1950XTX vs. 8800GTS, unless you want to waste even more bandwidth picking at straws.

as does this one

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/nvidia7800gt/index.php?p=1
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You may want to tick on the 4xAA/16xAF buttoms of that one too.
 
Ailuros said:
And Far Cry. The others were OGL games for which ATi's OGL/AA tweak wasn't active prior to R5x0.



Most definitely....not. That link points me to EQ2 for which I'm seeing starting with 1600/4xAA:

X850XT PE= 28 fps
7800GT = 19 fps

That's a 47% difference and with the sole exception of Doom3 there's no clear indication that the 7800GT is any faster than the R480, let alone pose any different performance ballpark as X1950XTX vs. 8800GTS, unless you want to waste even more bandwidth picking at straws.



You may want to tick on the 4xAA/16xAF buttoms of that one too.
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my mistake on the r3d review, had assumed the 4x/16x scores were the ones shown by default like in their latest reviews.
 
Ailuros said:
RV560/570 and so far performance parts from both IHVs have the buswidth of the high end GPUs
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RV560 is 128-bit.;) I understand what you are saying, I just noted that for the last couple of generations Ati's midrange has been weird.
The chips coming straight after the high-end have been more like low-end and low-midrange parts with the real midrange coming later. (X600 -> X700, X1600 -> x1650XT) And last year RV560 wasn't even a chip of it's own.

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So basically what they are planning could be this:

X1900/X1950------ > R600 512-bit
X1950Pro ----------> RV6x0 512-bit
X1650XT-----------> RV6x0 256-bit
X1600/X1650Pro --> RV630 128-bit
X1300 --------------> RV610 64-bit

Which would probably mean a free ride for NV's 8600 untill the RV6x0 arrives.
 
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Fuad managed to get his hands on a R600 XTX pic, still no pic of the retail version.

R600XTX.jpg


The card should be launched in March and will be available at the same month but rather late march than early.
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I know everyone has their limits, but this one is ridiculous to me on size.

It definitely crossed the threshold into the absurd. I realize full well that it said SI and OEM only, but it is still getting to push the limits IMO.

Anyway the retail one is 9.5 inches I think it said, and that sounds good to me.

8800gtx is what 10.5? I never thought I would care, but I think now I have come to the point finally.
Though Fuad says
The Geforce 8800 GTX is nine inches or about 23 cm long.
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So maybe his ruler is off or something and the 9.5 is really 11 inches...
 
Sxotty said:
I know everyone has their limits, but this one is ridiculous to me on size.
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Welcome to the world of professional hardware.

Seems like the 8 pin connector has gone. the power cable for the new fan model isn't plugged in. there also seems to be some kind of extra guiding part left of the PCIe connector which wasn't there on the previous board.
 
Geo said:
Still the old logo on that one. I wonder if these are all A11 that we've seen so far.
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This is a newer board right? you can see the fan now makes proper contact with the cooling tunnel AND it's ATI red offcourse.

ps, didn't you mean A12?
 
serenity said:
Fuad managed to get his hands on a R600 XTX pic, still no pic of the retail version.

R600XTX.jpg
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Yeah, still no picture from the retail card, sounds bad from "retail availability after launch" aspect. (my bet is 2-3 weeks after launch users able to buy the retail cards in store, or AMD can surprise us? :cool: )
 
The question is: Which card is newer and are they the same top of the line OEM model? If the new picture is the latest version (and they are the same line), that means that the 240-270w rumors are false as it only has two 6 pins from what I can see.
 
Fuad Explains about Dragonshead 2

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37582

The only difference is that this card ends up being 9.5 inches long and needs 240W power. It still has 1024MB memory and 512Mbit memory controller. It comes with two 2x3 pins power connectors that we already saw at Geforce 8800 GTX.
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So the maximum power draw equeals that of the G80. we can all stop our orders for those 18000BTU/h airco's now.
 
neliz said:
This is a newer board right? you can see the fan now makes proper contact with the cooling tunnel AND it's ATI red offcourse.

ps, didn't you mean A12?
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No, I didn't. :smile: But maybe the red cooler is A12. Still the wrong logo tho. And we know they were switching the logo over no later than early December.
 
Would there be anything wrong if they started production a while ago on an early revision to be used as OEM/SI cards? Also another thing to keep in mind is that if one of these things is going to be the official stream processor that gets loaded down with 2GB of GDDR3 some of these power figures might make a whole lot more sense. Plus heat wouldn't be that much of an issue with a 24W delta in a rackmount where noise isn't an issue. So they could have produced a lot of early revision chips to fill the OEM/SI needs and only recently geared all production towards the retail cards.

That would also explain why we haven't actually seen any retail cards yet. They might not actually be out there.
 
Anarchist4000 said:
Would there be anything wrong if they started production a while ago on an early revision to be used as OEM/SI cards?
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That would depend entirely on why they felt the need to do an A13 (or, according to some sources, A15! Tho I don't find those sources credible, personally.) in the first place. There can be a variety of reasons to do another spin.
 
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