I bought I am legend for $10 on DVD about a month ago. Blu-ray needs to be much closer to DVD prices across the catalog if they want that kind of mass acceptance.
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I bought I am legend for $10 on DVD about a month ago. Blu-ray needs to be much closer to DVD prices across the catalog if they want that kind of mass acceptance.
Not really. Blu-ray has more values for people who prefer HD. Not to mention, some will come with Portable Copy. They only need to lower the price incrementally to appeal to various user segments
You keep telling yourself that. If they want anything approaching the level of DVD acceptance they need to drastically lower prices across the board.
Huh ? If you read my post on their China presentation, Blu-ray is treading very close to DVD growth during its first 4 years. Whether they need or will approach DVD's level of acceptance is a future question. They don't have to compete with DVD's current price to be successful. They need to make money and reinvest the profit. Not everyone has a monopoly cashcow like Microsoft. ^_^
EDIT: If they encounter unforeseen barriers and new competitions, they will react accordingly. I don't think we need to worry for them.
EDIT: If they encounter unforeseen barriers and new competitions, they will react accordingly. I don't think we need to worry for them.
But of course... they can't exactly use a future title as an example right ?
Like I said, if the retailers label it as a repricing, it will impact all the Warner titles to various degree.
Sure... the program hasn't started yet right ? For now, you can buy cheap ones from Amazon deals, or get catalog titles. We already know the relatively high movie price has dampened the momentum somewhat. Things will keep improving as long as the BDA members listen diligently to the market.
My ex-boss used to tell me: Don't underestimate the beauty/advantages of "Being out on the market already". Things often take a life and momentum of its own. Everyone wants to succeed.
There are a ton of movies released this quarter but i don't really see any non catalog titles shown.
The problem with bluray are its costs and while its nice if catalog titles drop in price , new releases are also way to high. You know its an extra $15 bucks for batman begins on bluray sepcial edition than dvd special addition.
Some of these movies you listed are five bucks on dvd. To many people is the bluray verison worth even the discounted 17 bucks ? thats more than 3 times the cost .
Sadly the only thing i've seen priced right so far is oddly dragon ball z . You get 2 dragon ball movies for $25 bucks . thats a good 3 to 3 1/2 hours of movie But mabye thats because at one point the dvd pricing for dbz was insane (movies used to cost $30 a pop and epsiodes would be $25 for 3 )
Universal and Warner are retreading their HD DVD catalog releases since they switched over recently. There is a surge in title release starting in May. In fact, people were also concerned that there were not enough BD-50 discs to go around. Day and Date releases are/will be there (e.g., Dooms Day, Cloverfield, The Other Boleyn Girl, ...). You need to find them among the catalog releases.
Blu-ray has its values to specific segment of users today. Clearly its performance depends on specific titles. In some movies, Blu-ray sold close to 30% of the total volume. In others, they probably sold 1% (I don't know the low figure). Considering top 20 titles, it sold about 7% on the average. With Warner's repricing exercise, it should improve even further.
As time goes by, you should find more palatable prices. Also, for me $20 for Ironman is worthwhile. For you, it may not be. You can probably find an opposite example.
I dont have to keep telling myself, watching a DVD today is for me like looking in to the old boring past with lowres video filled with artifacts.
If DVD´s were a dollar a piece i still wouldnt be buying them, they are as worthless to me as VHS was when i found DVD.
What will happen is that prices on players and movies will decline, and more and more will pickup Blu-Ray as their personal limit on the "entry fee" to Blu-Ray is met.
clover field was not day and date dude. Aside from that its nice that hd - dvds are coming to bluray but they are all older titles now. Even beowulf is an old title and has been avalible on dvd for a while. In fact its going to be more than twice the cost (see where this is going yet ) vs the dvd
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...p=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960
$34.99 vs $16.99
Bluray titles are just too expensive and it doesn't look like the newer movies are dropping in price anytime soon.
For example
Batman the movie (1966) goes for $10 bucks on dvd
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...n+the+movie&lp=5&type=product&cp=1&id=1848098
Bluray is $34.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...n+the+movie&lp=6&type=product&cp=1&id=1848095
Once again more than 3 times the cost . What makes the bluray verison 3 times the cost . The only diffrence is the 1080p encode .
Post some numbers. It be great too see cause frankly i call bs on that .
So you believe that ironman will only cost $20 bucks ? I highly doubt that , catalog titles are coming out at more than that . Thats actually $5 bucks less than the iron-man cartoon currently retails at for the bluray edition.(which is 2.5 times the price of the dvd)
The prices are crazy high and like the bluray players they don't seem to want to drop in price to affordable levels .
There is plenty of room for someone else to come in and take over.
Oops, confused it with The Spiderwick Chronicles ( http://www.cloverfieldnews.com/2008/04/30/cloverfield-blu-ray-announced/ ).
Sure... but people who see the value are buying. If they lower the price, it just means more will buy in the future.
Nonetheless, Warner has made its first move. So we will see lower priced movies in due time.
The early adoptors love the lossless audio too. The studios are still experimenting with BD-Live. For the moment, Portable Copy looks promising to me.
Check the China presentation post. It's in one of the slides. The execs have no reason to lie. The war is over. In fact, more detailed numbers are available on one of the hidef sites (forgot which one, you may have to look). This is the second time I saw similar numbers.
If it's 29.99, I won't touch it. If it's 20.00, I'll probably buy > 1 movies at the same time. if it's 25.00, I may bite when I'm in good mood.
The chinese manufacturers have signed up. Price will always fall.
Let's put it this way. Competition is the norm. We (as consumers and technologists) see them everyday everywhere. The studios have been toying with digital distribution for more than 10 years. At the end of the day, supply and demand determines the outcome. Like everyone else, BDA will adjust their strategies. In fact, Warner has started to make its move to address your high price concern. This is good news for the consumers.
IronMan collectors edition preorder seems to be 27.95$ from amazon.
Cloverfield on amazon is 16.95$.
As for the prices amazon seems to be good 10$-20$ cheaper than bestbuy. Also amazon has had nifty BOGOs regularly(buy one get one for free) campaigns making prices a lot nicer for the wallet. I have bought ~30 blu-ray movies from amazon and average price has been around 13.5e including postage to europe. Got to love the strong euro and well timed buying from bogos.
Blade Runner (Five-Disc Complete Collector's Edition) [Blu-ray] (2007) is one of the better deals. 24.95$ and comes with 5 blu-rays discs.
Personally I expect the blu-ray prices to come down in time. And for now I can wait and buy most releases from sales drastically lowering the price per movie. And naturally there are rentals for those who don't want to buy with current prices. Local renter chain has around ~70 titles for renting on blu-ray.
Player prices seem to be pretty reasonable already for the enthusiasts. I paid around 700e for my first dvd player after haggling the price down. Though that is brilliant player, still in use and no problems whatever. My memory fails me if that player is now 9 or 10 years old.
And who and how should they do that, i am very interested in how that should be done. I would have no problem with shifting to a Cheaper and equal format to Blu-Ray. But pigs doesn´t fly and hell doesnt freeze over.
Affordable is decided by who? i think it´s pretty cheap considered what i get. Of course i am weird because i have no issue with paying more for video and sound quality.
Another thing is that every Blu-Ray i buy has a way higher long term value than any DVD i buy. 1080p is the current highest quality that can be obtained, it doesn´t get better. the movies i buy will still be the best in 5 years*
Thats why i more or less stopped buying DVD´s when HD-DVD/Blu-Ray was announced.
You forgot to add shipping to the cost of those movies. I have a bestbuy less than a mile from me .
Not exactly a fair comparison when you leave off part of the price of the movie .
Bluray prices are out of wack unless I want to wait a week or two to recieve it through free shipping online or pay hidden fees through more expensive shipping online .
Cloverfield from amazon is $16.95 , with 3-5 day standard shpiping its $19.93 , With 2 day shipping its $23.93 . With one day shipping $28.93 .
None of those gets me the movie for this weekend if my gf and i decided we wanted to watch it . Right now even that one day shpping wont get here now till tuesday .
The discs are just way to expensive unless your able to plan out 2 weeks before you want to watch the movie that you should order it from amazon so you get that cheap price
Five discs but only one movie . Great movie , but its not like your getting 5 movies or even 2 movies , its the same movie just cut diffrently 3 times and then some bonus features . Numbers of discs don't really do anything for the general public.
Not exactly a fair comparison when you leave off part of the price of the movie .
Bluray prices are out of wack unless I want to wait a week or two to recieve it through free shipping online or pay hidden fees through more expensive shipping online .
Cloverfield from amazon is $16.95 , with 3-5 day standard shpiping its $19.93 , With 2 day shipping its $23.93 . With one day shipping $28.93 .
None of those gets me the movie for this weekend if my gf and i decided we wanted to watch it . Right now even that one day shpping wont get here now till tuesday .
The discs are just way to expensive unless your able to plan out 2 weeks before you want to watch the movie that you should order it from amazon so you get that cheap price
Five discs but only one movie . Great movie , but its not like your getting 5 movies or even 2 movies , its the same movie just cut diffrently 3 times and then some bonus features . Numbers of discs don't really do anything for the general public.
That's why you buy ~4 movies at the same time and hence smaller shipping cost per title(1/4th). And if you don't care about the money ofcourse you take the faster shipping but if you are on budget certainly the cheapest option is smartest?
Btw. And I did take the shipping cost into account in the average price I had paid(and shipped to europe).
edit. and do remember the amazon bogos which reduce price even further...
So wait let me get this right.
1) I have to buy in bulk to reduce shipping . that means I have to wait for all the movies I want to be out or at least a few of them to make sure costs are right.
2) I have to no in advance of when i want to view them and factor in shipping time .
3) I have to also wait for bogo sales and hope what I want is in them so I can save more .
Not exactly the best arguement for buying bluray movies online . Also what percentage of bluray and what percentage of dvd sales does amazon make up.
I'm an average consumer and I just want to buy a movie when the mood strikes me or be able to watch something new when my gf or myself are under the weather and just want to stay in. Not when the planets a line in proper order
oh lets check out another retailer
point break
amazon is $28
http://www.amazon.com/Point-Break-B..._bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1215892304&sr=8-1
bestbuy is $35
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8870091&st=point+break&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=53571
fye is $40 (or $36 with a member card)
http://www.fye.com/Point-Break--Blu-ray--Blu-ray_stcVVproductId42526297VVcatId501427VVviewprod.htm
Fun times. I don't see how anyone can make the claim that blurays are priced reasonably . Even when you order online they can be crazy expensive .
And yes my gf loves point break and i'd buy it for her if it was $40 bucks . For another $20 bucks i can get a video game .
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You do what you want to do. Plain and simple the cheapest way to get blu-rays is to plan ahead and buy from amazon bogos(or from some other sail) in bulk. If you want to spend more money that's fine, I plan ahead and am not in hurry to buy everything day1.
For example I got potc1+potc2 from amazon 19.95+4$= 23.95$ = whoppin 12$ per movie, delivered to europe. Not a bad deal when I actually paid that in euros(1e=~1.5$). That's what I call cheap... planning ahead - good... (actually I bought 4 movies at time and shipping was 8$ for whole package and it was bogo so I paid only 2 of those movies)
And I'm quite certain the prices will fall down in future so I don't need to wait for bogos to get decent price for movies. And this is enough for me about this conversation, I have run out of facts. Those who read this probably can think where to buy and there are good links to prices and mentioning of the bogos to wait for if not in hurry.
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you do understand that for the majority of people out there doing what you do is not how they operate and when they walk into bestbuy they see the prices I listed and not what you listed.
Prices may fall in the future , mabye, but i don't see it happening . Just look at fox and thier insane prices
Prices may fall in the future , mabye, but i don't see it happening . Just look at fox and thier insane prices
There is a saying about fool and his money. I suppose so far the blu-ray market mainly consists of enthusiasts who know their shit and/or who have excess money to spend. Blu-ray is not in mainstream market yet. For blu-ray to get into mainstream we need the lower priced movies so that casuals would start buying players and movies. There can be some margin due to better quality and perceived lasting appeal(i.e. I don't ever need to buy this movie again, it's transparent to master)
Other aspect would be cheap enough players and get people into renting movies. Most movies are good for renting but not buying
I remember renting dvd's mostly and not buying them back in the days. Now the situation is bit different as I mainly watch movies worth buying(and have the money to buy as opposed to 10 years ago when I was still studying). Also there was no cheap dvd's back then, movies cost around 20e a shot.
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Well... if the report is accurate, you will see it happen for Warner movies.
For other titles, the price sensitive folks will just wait for the promotion from online retailers.
Most people I talked to think that Blu-ray movie prices are too high for mainstream consumption. This is why I mentioned it is in the early adopter phase.
When they think it's time to tackle the mainstream market, they will lower the price. That's relatively standard marketing technique.