The Apple Execution Dazzle Thread

[eastmen]

LOL. 1.5 lbs = 67% more. It's more like you weighing 450 lbs. instead of 270. At 270 you're hefty, but at 450 lbs. you're a serious lard ass.



Again, 1.16" != 0.68" in fact, it's 70.5% thicker!
By you're logic you should be fine with another 70.5% so just go with a 2" thick job, okay?

It's okay that you don't like Apple.
It's okay that I don't buy HP computers because of the failure rate at my company (we're all Asus/Apple now). It's okay that you don't like OSX.

But claiming that something weighing almost 70% more that's over 70% thicker is the same is just, well, stupid. You're better off linking to the latest ultraportables from Samsung and Lenovo. They're much closer to the Mac Book Air - in dimensions and in price.

Lol so if a company came out with a laptop that is 1.5lbs in the 13 inch form factor then the apple air wouldn't be an ultra portable anymore ?

Or would it still be cause you like apple ?
The fact of the matter is they are ultraportable because they weigh half the weight of normal laptops.

 

[RudeCurve]

Lol so if a company came out with a laptop that is 1.5lbs in the 13 inch form factor then the apple air wouldn't be an ultra portable anymore ?

Or would it still be cause you like apple ?
The fact of the matter is they are ultraportable because they weigh half the weight of normal laptops.

Actually if you've followed notebook computers for the last 20 years you'd know that Ultra Portables are categoriezed as 3lb or less....in other words ANY notebook computer that weighs 3lbs or less is considered an Ultra Portable.

 

[silent_guy]

I weight 270lbs and i'm 6'4 , i don't even notice 1.5lbs extra weight on my shoulder.

There's the beauty of the MBA: so light you can grasp it in your hand as if it was a paper notebook. No shoulder required.

The envy is also only $1,000 while the air starts at 1,300

I'm not willing to make compromises for $300. (And that's not even taking into account weight.) Those compromises are obviously very personal and different than yours.

Its(sic) funny because they are all ultra portable and yet apple has brain washed some that extra money + lesser hardware specs is okay because its a bit lighter .

You forgot the words 'fanboy', 'Appletards' and quite a few other ad hominems. Is it so hard to accept that maybe Apple users are more than brainless droids who happen to have a different opinion about something than you do? Yes, we think your HP laptop is crap (and ugly!) for a variety of technical and emotional reasons, but I accept that smart people may have their own valid reasons to chose them anyway and I don't see why should go the route of calling you brainwashed by the RDF of Leo Apotheker.

 

[Mize]

Lol so if a company came out with a laptop that is 1.5lbs in the 13 inch form factor then the apple air wouldn't be an ultra portable anymore ?

Or would it still be cause you like apple ?
The fact of the matter is they are ultraportable because they weigh half the weight of normal laptops.

Uh...what?
I'm simply saying the computers you linked too - one over 5 lbs. - aren't in the same market segment as the MBAs. That Samsung I linked to is. Lenovo has one too, do you need me to find it for you?

FYI, the last four laptops I've purchased for the office and for my house have all been Asus. Zero have been Apple. Before those I bought HPs and had a run of failures so HP is off my buy list. I haven't purchased an Apple laptop since 2009.

That said, when my MacBook Pro starts to get old I will be replaced with a machine like that Samsung or the like the 13" MBA with a fast SSD. When you travel as much as I do (>100,000 air miles every year), and go 100% carry-on, every ounce counts.

 

[Sxotty]

Even the Asus is a full cm thicker, has a smaller battery and isn't even running Sandy Bridge so forget about battery life.

The HPs aren't even close to ultraportables at double the thickness and nearly 3x the weight.

Besides, who buys a 13.3" or 11" notebook for gaming? Clearly these are for business travelers. Hell I have a MBP with a 9400/9600 solution and I have used the 9600 all of twice.

That is strange. I have certainly noticed after my graphics card died how horrid the integrated graphics were for many everyday tasks. (I did get a new one recently which made many typical uses much more pleasant) I have the feeling that sandy bridge and fusion would deal much better with typical usage though.

I have a question though, how is the Asus battery life? I have a lenovo now, which I like well enough, but I am also sick of HPs due to failures. I have been wanting an Asus, but I remember that they had a period where they were markedly worse in battery life than equivalent specced competitors.

 

[Snyder]

You really didnt read my post did you? The Mac Air 11" weighs 2.38 pounds and the 13" weighs 2.96 pounds compared to 4.5 pounds for the dm4 and 5.5 pounds for the envy you linked to.

So i'll repeat, show me any other ultraportable with a discrete GPU.

Sony Vaio SA/SB?

 

[Erinyes]

Sony Vaio SA/SB?

Right i forgot about that one! The sony is a very nice laptop, but its still a bit heavier and thicker than the A13" Air. We're talking about 3.8 pounds and 0.95" compared to 2.96 pounds and 0.68" for the Air.

But you get a standard voltage processor, discrete graphics and higher resolution. The weight isnt that much more (at least for me) so even though its more expensive, i'd pick the Sony any day!

 

[Arun]

So what does everyone think of the Apple HDTV rumours? Personally I don't believe this specific report but overall it seems inevitable. It's a huge market and Steve Jobs clearly isn't a big fan of set-top boxes despite pursuing Apple TV as a hobby.

I even think Apple might eventually be tempted to buy a LCD manufacturer with their huge cash pile to secure the volumes necessary to target the entire market rather than just a niche (e.g. AUO, CMO, LG Display, etc...) along with improving their capacity for their other products. They could still dual-source from other manufacturers obviously. Not quite as interesting as Apple entering the TV market in itself but still something to ponder.

 

[rpg.314]

So what does everyone think of the Apple HDTV rumours? Personally I don't believe this specific report but overall it seems inevitable. It's a huge market and Steve Jobs clearly isn't a big fan of set-top boxes despite pursuing Apple TV as a hobby.

a) Is there room for Apple to add something here that will make people throw themselves out of the window to buy it?

b) Are the growth prospects in HDTV market worth the investment/effort/time for Apple?

c) Can a Apple HDTV add more value to someone playing in Apple only ecosystem (this being the best case) beyond what any TV could add?

If it's a big yes to all three above, then it will happen. Else, no.

 

[Gubbi]

So what does everyone think of the Apple HDTV rumours? Personally I don't believe this specific report but overall it seems inevitable. It's a huge market and Steve Jobs clearly isn't a big fan of set-top boxes despite pursuing Apple TV as a hobby.

Highly unlikely if you ask me.

The TV market is saturated, competition is fierce and margins are razor thin. Apple sells high margin products in new/expanding markets.

I find it more likely that Apple will try to build on the Apple TV brand by partnering with existing manufacturers to build the ATV electronics into the TV itself. Branding the TV as Apple TV capable would add value for both Apple and the manufacturer.

Cheers

 

[Malo]

a) Is there room for Apple to add something here that will make people throw themselves out of the window to buy it?

An Apple logo and a funky startup sound when the TV turns on? People will be camping overnight to buy it.

 

[Grall]

When you travel as much as I do (>100,000 air miles every year), and go 100% carry-on, every ounce counts.

100%? I guess you bring only 1 set of clothes with you then, travel in your business suit and dress shoes maybe, with a change of underwear and maybe a spare shirt...? Hope a bump during dinner time doesn't spread Penne Alla Arrabbiata all over your crotch then.

I find it more likely that Apple will try to build on the Apple TV brand by partnering with existing manufacturers to build the ATV electronics into the TV itself. Branding the TV as Apple TV capable would add value for both Apple and the manufacturer.

I feel the probability Apple would allow its extremely highly valued (not least by themselves!) brand to be displayed on another manufacturer's product to amount to roughly -73%.

An actual Apple TV, as in with a screen rather than just a tiny little box, makes a lot more sense IMO. I'd probably buy one too. I need a new TV, my current one isn't even 1080P capable...

 

[Mize]

100%? I guess you bring only 1 set of clothes with you then, travel in your business suit and dress shoes maybe, with a change of underwear and maybe a spare shirt...? Hope a bump during dinner time doesn't spread Penne Alla Arrabbiata all over your crotch then.

LOL.
1 set of travel clothes (shorts, sneakers, t-shirt, etc.), one sport coat, 2 ties, 2 business pants, 4 shirts, dress shoes, bunch of socks and underwear...and hotels that do laundry same day!

 

[rpg.314]

An Apple logo and a funky startup sound when the TV turns on? People will be camping overnight to buy it.

No they wouldn't. For all the dumbness/herd mentality apple's customers are often portrayed to possess, I don't think that is the case beyond a tiny subset of fanboys.

Apple's not going to do it unless they can charge their traditional 50% markup over competition.

 

[eastmen]

Uh...what?
I'm simply saying the computers you linked too - one over 5 lbs. - aren't in the same market segment as the MBAs. That Samsung I linked to is. Lenovo has one too, do you need me to find it for you?

FYI, the last four laptops I've purchased for the office and for my house have all been Asus. Zero have been Apple. Before those I bought HPs and had a run of failures so HP is off my buy list. I haven't purchased an Apple laptop since 2009.

That said, when my MacBook Pro starts to get old I will be replaced with a machine like that Samsung or the like the 13" MBA with a fast SSD. When you travel as much as I do (>100,000 air miles every year), and go 100% carry-on, every ounce counts.

You haven't answered my question.

The mac air is 3lbs , when a laptop comes out at 1.5lbs will the air at 3lbs double the weight no longer be ultra portable ?

If not then why

There's the beauty of the MBA: so light you can grasp it in your hand as if it was a paper notebook. No shoulder required.

I must be Superman then because i can grasp the envy in one hand . I'm awsome

I'm not willing to make compromises for $300. (And that's not even taking into account weight.) Those compromises are obviously very personal and different than yours.

Better quality screen , better graphics , infinite battery life all while paying less money. seems like a lot of comprimises .


and if the definition of ultra portable is 3lbs or under someone better tell pcworld and all these companys with laptops that weigh more

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/collection/1660/top_10_ultraportable_laptops.html

 

[silent_guy]

The mac air is 3lbs, when a laptop comes out at 1.5lbs will the air at 3lbs double the weight no longer be ultra portable ?

I don't know why you are so hung up on this part. There's a threshold. Once below, it doesn't matter all that much anymore IMHO. I didn't buy an iPad2 because the various improvements (including weight) didn't really matter for me, just like I wouldn't care if the next iPhone is a few grams lighter.

I must be Superman then because i can grasp the envy in one hand. I'm awsome

Congratulations!

Better quality screen , better graphics , infinite battery life all while paying less money. seems like a lot of comprimises .

Diminishing returns:
My MBP screen is bad to the point where it bothers me. The MBA screen doesn't. You obviously need better still. That's ok.
The GPU is fast enough for all non-3D stuff and Google Earth. I don't use anything else 3D.
Infinite battery life? Uhm...

Your Envy doesn't give me a superior trackpad, no creaks when I manhandle it around, Time Machine, MagSafe, MacOS, XCode, and, if necessary, incredible support at all the Apple stores in my region, etc. (and it doesn't look like a pig.)

Worth the extra money for me, not for you. Like I said: different compromises.

I'm happy you're satisfied with your Envy.

 

[eastmen]

I don't know why you are so hung up on this part. There's a threshold. Once below, it doesn't matter all that much anymore IMHO. I didn't buy an iPad2 because the various improvements (including weight) didn't really matter for me, just like I wouldn't care if the next iPhone is a few grams lighter.

Says who ? I've shown you that multiple manufactures believe that even above 3lbs is ultra portable. Where was your definition made up ?

Congratulations!

thanks must have been lifting all those twinkies

Diminishing returns:
My MBP screen is bad to the point where it bothers me. The MBA screen doesn't. You obviously need better still. That's ok.
The GPU is fast enough for all non-3D stuff and Google Earth. I don't use anything else 3D.
Infinite battery life? Uhm...

Yet this isn't the point i replied to , it was asked what ultra portable had dedicated gpus and i showed which did.

Your Envy doesn't give me a superior trackpad, no creaks when I manhandle it around, Time Machine, MagSafe, MacOS, XCode, and, if necessary, incredible support at all the Apple stores in my region, etc. (and it doesn't look like a pig.)

My envy doesn't creak and its 3 years old , my trackpad is amazing and is better than the mac book air i use at work (its a 2009 model so don't know if they have improved them) I also have windows 7 back up which is just as good as time machine , my machine syncs to an external drive once every 7 days and i keep 3 weeks worth of back ups.

The envy also looks much better than any mac book i've ever seen

Also unlike the mac air , i can actually change batterys on my envy. It makes traveling alot better when I can carry a 6cell + two 9 cells . Each 9 cell gives me 6 hours of battery life /3h20m gaming and the 6 cell gives me 4ish of surfing the web. Its way more time than the air or pro gives me.



[quote[Worth the extra money for me, not for you. Like I said: different compromises.

I'm happy you're satisfied with your Envy.[/QUOTE]

yes and has nothing to do with the fact that other companys offer discrite gpus and better packages for the price.

If apple didn't sue anyone who tried to make hackintoshes then we would actualy see apple have to lower prices and include better value with their products.

 

[Mize]

You might want to look at various stats for quality easty. HP has one of the highest failure rates out there. Apple and Asus are much higher quality.

As to your question, if a new Porsche is 50% faster than an old one, the old one is still just as fast as it was before, it's simply outclassed by the new one. Same goes for ultraportables. Buy what you want though. I couldn't care less.

BTW, HP doesn't list the ENVY under ultraportables on their own website.

 

[Mize]

By the way, who games on an ultraportable laptop anyway?

If I'm on my laptop I'm working. If I want to game I'm on my i7-2600k + 2x6970 rig.

My son has an Asus sandybridge with a 540M. Using onboard video the thing is uber cool (temps) and the battery just goes and goes. With the 540M activated it's like a charcoal grill (heat) and the battery life drops like a rock.

As for claiming the Envy has a trackpad as good as the MBA, that's laughable.
As for claiming that Envy can touch any Sandybridge for battery life? LOL!
You carry THREE batteries? Yeah, that's really ultraportable!

FWIW I've owned literally dozens of laptops including many where I bought extra batteries that slid in the CD slots, etc. and I never used those extra batteries. Glad you do though. Too bad carrying three batteries basically doubles the size of your "ultraportable"

HP's 3-year failure rate is 47% higher than Apple's.

Also Laptop Magazine rated Apple the top notebook manufacturer in both 2010 and 2011.

For the 2011 review Apple Scored 89/100 while HP score 69/100

 

[silent_guy]

I also have windows 7 back up which is just as good as time machine , my machine syncs to an external drive once every 7 days and i keep 3 weeks worth of back ups.

I heard Win7 had some improvements, but didn't realize it was still this pathetic.

The TimeMachine/TimeCapsule combination was one of the 3 reasons I made the switch 4 years ago: hourly backups that are keeps for a couple of days, daily backups are kept a couple of weeks and weekly backups that are kept forever until disk runs out, which are then deleted FIFO (after confirmation.) All with seamless rollback on a per file basis. It all just happens wireless in the background and you don't even notice the typical drive activity because the filesystem was specifically modified to make this as efficient as possible. And it obviously only requires a just a few clicks to setup.

All mutual trolling in this thread aside (I still think the Envy is ugly), TM is something everybody should have. PC oriented website say Win8 may have something similar. We'll see. My mom only uses a browser and Word and doesn't know a browser window from an OS, but TM alone is the reason I'll eventually switch her to a Mac.