That marketshare discussion that won't stop invading every other thread *spawn*

[PSman1700]

pretty powerful beasts like the PS5

Wouldnt call that a beast lol. Its 2019 mid range hardware, in AMD terms. Weak ray tracing and the lack of full rdna2 features aswell.

Also, as the generation progresses, PS5 will fall back more and more as games start to use newer pc hardware for higher settings etc.

 

[Bondrewd]

Wouldnt call that a beast lol

Yes it is especially the CPU part.
The thing is meaner than most PCs present on the market period, which is a very clear distinction versus CPU-underpowered 8th gen and all.

Its 2019 mid range hardware

Navi10 never clocked like that.

lack of full rdna2 features aswell.

The what

 

[PSman1700]

Yes it is especially the CPU part.
The thing is meaner than most PCs present on the market period, which is a very clear distinction versus CPU-underpowered 8th gen and all.

Nah, theres more rtx gpus out there then ps5’s.

 

[Bondrewd]

Nah, theres more rtx gpus out there then ps5’s.

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

 

[Kaotik]

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

Not to mention most PCs present on the market don't have RTX GPUs to begin with

 

[PSman1700]

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

Even at 10m there would be more rtx gpus than ps5’s.
Cut and clocked down previos gen zen2 cpu with a 10TF (if not clocked down) gpu, which in raw perf compares to 5700XT levels, teamed to 448gb/s for the whole system aint really cutting edge. 1st gen ray tracing cant really be called cutting edge either.

 

[PSman1700]

Not to mention most PCs present on the market don't have RTX GPUs to begin with

Most consoles on the market are 2013 hardware. Meh.

 

[JasonLD]

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

Well, looking at total number of discrete cards shipments, I am sure there are quite a few more than 10m RTX GPUs out there considering gaming laptop numbers wasn't even included.

 

[CarstenS]

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

Then it might still be a while, until PS5 catches up to RTX.
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidi...30-series-shortages-to-continue-thru-q2-2020/

This report is from end of january with RTX-30 volume and notebook SKUs like GA106-RTX-3060 only being introduced a month after that.

 

[Dictator]

Nope.
PS5 is >10m units to date or so.

Your seething is borderline useless since the new boxes are objectively good, pretty balanced systems filled with some plenty cutting edge h/w.

Earlier in 2021 NV tech press Brief had 20 Million discrete RTX GPUs out there in gamer hands. There are definitely more RTX GPUs than PS5s Sold to date.
Edit: besten by @CarstenS

 

[PSman1700]

And with the popularity of laptops these days….. those rtx numbers are going to be much higher. Oh, and then we have AMD aswell.
There wont be many of those rtx gpus in systems running lower than 3.5ghz zen cpus either. Or below 16gb total ram for that matter.
The amount of non-ssd/nvme users with rtx class gpus wont be reaching high numbers either.

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.nme...t-theyre-still-impossible-to-find-2974396?amp

9m, not 10. Lets start adding a million units. Impossible to find, says article.

 

[Bondrewd]

out there in gamer hands

Do I wheeze loudly or less than that?

And with the popularity of laptops these days

What sells are the ULV machines.
Most PCs aren't what you've described either.

 

[PSman1700]

What sells are the ULV machines.
Most PCs aren't what you've described either.

Most consoles hang on 2013 hardware.

 

[Bondrewd]

Most consoles hang on 2013 hardware.

That's the current install base, yes.
That's how uh, the consoles work...

 

[PSman1700]

That's the current install base, yes.
That's how uh, the consoles work...

Same for pc hardware, sales continue. Anyway if you want to talk about your console platform, why dont you head to the console section?

 

[CarstenS]

What sells are the ULV machines.

AMD says, it's 24M gaming laptops for 2020, a 27% y-o-y growth. But who are they to know.

 

[PSman1700]

AMD says, it's 24M gaming laptops for 2020, a 27% y-o-y growth. But who are they to know.

Thats 44m together with discrete rtx gpus. Now lets count in nv gaming laptops.
Were approaching total ps5 sales for its total lifespan already now.

 

[CarstenS]

In the lower price brackets, there have been and still are a lot of GTX and even MX cards. I don't think you can throw all of those 24M units onto the RTX stack.

 

[Bondrewd]

RDNA2-based

The what.

hybrid rdna1/2 gpu.

The what.

AMD says, it's 24M gaming laptops for 2020, a 27% y-o-y growth. But who are they to know.

Now do the needful and count the ULV machines just for lulz.

 

[CarstenS]

Now do the needful and count the ULV machines just for lulz.

Not doing your job here. You introduced a statement, your obligation to provide facts. BTW - your strawmanning again.

And as I've shown with a hard number of gaming laptops, even if only 20% of those go with RT capable hardware, we're at a signifcant number compared to what the point was about ~10M PS5.

edit: here is the slide.