Tech Report: Ultra-high-resolution Gaming ...

RejZoR said:
Why the hell do we need such absurd resolutions?
Games look damn nice at 1280 with 2 or 4x FSAA.
But people use 1600 with 6xFSAA because CPUs are the bottleneck anyway...

My Dell 2405 has a native resolution of 1920x1200 and it is oh-so-sweet. In the case of all LCD's you want to use the native resolution.

Later,
Steve
 
Bigus Dickus said:
My 22" Iiyama has done quite well with ultra high resolutions for the past 5 years. Too bad my video card sucks... photos and CAD are nice at 2048, but gaming has to stay below 1280. :(

Even with a better GPU, the forementioned effects will likely be not any different on that one. It comes down to available video bandwidth and dot pitch size amongst other factors.

You're right. Makes sense, considering just how deep the 997 is.

There were 995DF models in the past I think which have been phased out. The 997MB has a different tube and has only a 250MHz video bandwidth, which makes high resolutions due to low refresh rates less feasable.

http://monitor.samsung.de/article.asp?artid=DD74D67A-9516-4F22-87BD-151A1CD734BF&show=specs

http://monitor.samsung.de/article.asp?artid=869FFA74-D1F0-4522-B5CD-9B608B834905&show=specs
 
RejZoR said:
Why the hell do we need such absurd resolutions?
Games look damn nice at 1280 with 2 or 4x FSAA.
But people use 1600 with 6xFSAA because CPUs are the bottleneck anyway...
Once you see games at 1600x1200 with 4x fsaa, you tend to notice aliasing much more.
BF2 at 1600x1200 still has much aliasing, and for racing game fans like my self, since they're slower games, you can notice aliasing alot more.
If you can afford it, it's not insane.
Btw, does the dell 24" lcd have better blacks then the 2001fp?
My brother has one and I was astonished how bad the blacks were.
I'm stil a crt fan, since lcds still can't touch the blacks or color accuracy of crts.
 
RejZoR said:
Why the hell do we need such absurd resolutions?
Games look damn nice at 1280 with 2 or 4x FSAA.
But people use 1600 with 6xFSAA because CPUs are the bottleneck anyway...

They said the same about 640X480 8 years ago.
 
Maintank said:
RejZoR said:
Why the hell do we need such absurd resolutions?
Games look damn nice at 1280 with 2 or 4x FSAA.
But people use 1600 with 6xFSAA because CPUs are the bottleneck anyway...

They said the same about 640X480 8 years ago.

oh how I loved the look of 320x200 (who needs more than modex?)
 
Why no reviews at 1920x1080p? That's what alot of the newer LCD HDTV's resolution will be capapble of. Why not show some benchmarks at that res?
 
Because most reviewers don't have spare LCD HDTVs lying around to attach to their test rigs. Oh and why post in a one month-old thread? A bit late for the party aren't we?
 
Aparrently there's still interest in this thread. You answered it didn't you.

And if they are going to review high res gaming don't you think it would make sense to benchmark the HD resolutions.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know we weren't allowed to post in one month old threads.

Congrats on being the beyond3d forum COP.
 
Neeyik said:
Because most reviewers don't have spare LCD HDTVs lying around to attach to their test rigs.

You don't need a LCD HDTV to benchmark in 1920x1080 a standard CRT monitor will do just fine (it is not a problem that the widescreen resolution does not fit the 4:3 monitor when running benchmarks).
 
Alstrong said:
Well...how many CRTs actually support such high resolutions?

A CRT that support 1280x1024 should do 1920x1080 probably even with the same refreshrate (which would be 85Hz for a cheap 19").
It's only +5% more lines - which is the only thing that counts.
 
skilzygw said:
Aparrently there's still interest in this thread. You answered it didn't you.
I had answered because you had!

Thanks for the info. I didn't know we weren't allowed to post in one month old threads.
Where did I say that you weren't allowed to? I was merely commenting on the fact that you were late in adding your comments to the discuss, especially considering that you had posted elsewhere on the site in the time between the last post and yours.

Congrats on being the beyond3d forum COP.
Well it is kinda my job! :cool: Seriously though, there's no need to get upset about this.

Time said:
You don't need a LCD HDTV to benchmark in 1920x1080 a standard CRT monitor will do just fine (it is not a problem that the widescreen resolution does not fit the 4:3 monitor when running benchmarks).
Thing is, I don't use CRTs anymore, plus I'm not sure whether the old CRT that I did have would let me set such a resolution.
 
Hyp-X said:
A CRT that support 1280x1024 should do 1920x1080 probably even with the same refreshrate (which would be 85Hz for a cheap 19").
It's only +5% more lines - which is the only thing that counts.
I got an old hp 19" that does 1600x1200@ 75.
hmm
edit: yep it works.
Is there some software or something to make it have black bars?
For watching high def stuff.. 1080p TS steams.
 
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radeonic2 said:
Btw, does the dell 24" lcd have better blacks then the 2001fp?
My brother has one and I was astonished how bad the blacks were.
I'm stil a crt fan, since lcds still can't touch the blacks or color accuracy of crts.

I thought I'd reply to this, because it's something which greatly surprised me the first time I noticed it: I have a damn nice iiyama HM903DT 19 inch CRT, and a pretty cheap Samsung 710N TN-panel LCD screen running dual screen right next to each other. Now TN panels are not very good technology, particularly not good at deep blacks, the Samsung doesn't even have DVI, etc.... However, that's not the point I want to make.

In the evenings, the blacks on the LCD look vaguely grey. It's depressing to watch the nice deep blacks on the CRT and how much worse they are on the LCD. So if you are a night-time user, a CRT is better.

However (and this is the big thing), everything is different during the day. When there is full ambient daylight, the same tests show that the CRT, with its phosphoric layer, is far less deep black than my not-particularly-good LCD.

Things get better for LCD when you switch to VA panels, such as the one in the Dell 24 inch. So if you are mostly a daytime LCD user, you actually end up with a much better result than CRT people.

For this reason, many many people are switching over, particularly when Dell is pratically giving away the 20+ inch screens at prices which look absurd compared to what you could buy for the money last year. Hence the need to cater to native LCD resolutions like 1680x1050 (20 inch widescreens) and 1920x1280 (23/24 inch widescreens).

Hope that has cleared things up :)
 
radeonic2 said:
I got an old hp 19" that does 1600x1200@ 75.
hmm
edit: yep it works.
Is there some software or something to make it have black bars?
For watching high def stuff.. 1080p TS steams.

maybe you can do 1920x1440 60Hz for that.
 
RejZoR said:
Why the hell do we need such absurd resolutions?
Games look damn nice at 1280 with 2 or 4x FSAA.
But people use 1600 with 6xFSAA because CPUs are the bottleneck anyway...

If you ever played a game at 1920x1200 in true WS with 4xAA/16XAF, you wouldnt be asking this question.

It may be absurd to you, but its not to everyone. To some people your res of 1280 is "absurd".
 
skazz said:
I thought I'd reply to this, because it's something which greatly surprised me the first time I noticed it: I have a damn nice iiyama HM903DT 19 inch CRT, and a pretty cheap Samsung 710N TN-panel LCD screen running dual screen right next to each other. Now TN panels are not very good technology, particularly not good at deep blacks, the Samsung doesn't even have DVI, etc.... However, that's not the point I want to make.

In the evenings, the blacks on the LCD look vaguely grey. It's depressing to watch the nice deep blacks on the CRT and how much worse they are on the LCD. So if you are a night-time user, a CRT is better.

However (and this is the big thing), everything is different during the day. When there is full ambient daylight, the same tests show that the CRT, with its phosphoric layer, is far less deep black than my not-particularly-good LCD.

Things get better for LCD when you switch to VA panels, such as the one in the Dell 24 inch. So if you are mostly a daytime LCD user, you actually end up with a much better result than CRT people.

For this reason, many many people are switching over, particularly when Dell is pratically giving away the 20+ inch screens at prices which look absurd compared to what you could buy for the money last year. Hence the need to cater to native LCD resolutions like 1680x1050 (20 inch widescreens) and 1920x1280 (23/24 inch widescreens).

Hope that has cleared things up :)
I read a little bit about the different kinds of lcds a while ago, forgot most of it though:)
I prefer total darkness actually and would use it mostly at night when school starts in a few weeks, atm I use it as soon as I get up to when I get tired :D
I do admit the lcds have a nice look to them for whites, but as someone who watchs movies on his pc at night, I need those deep blacks.
My sister used to live with a rich guy that had a 42" 1080i plasma and the blacks even during the day were quite gray.
What I read about the different kind of lcds about how you said the blacks for them as well as some of them being much less accurate for the listed responce time.
Blazkowicz_ said:
maybe you can do 1920x1440 60Hz for that.
60 hz= headache.
I was just thinkin maybe there's some software that can scale it or something.
 
Alstrong said:
Well...how many CRTs actually support such high resolutions?
my sonys play at 2048/1536 85z, which is what i use in Live For Speed2 and Ghostrecon, all quakes,UTs ect.. then i go down to 1900/1400 for othergames, ofcourse the new games keep in the 1600/1200, or even my desktop res of 1280/1024. this is always at 6xaa and 16xaf. My frames can hit 20 or less at a low point spike, but im used to that, no choppys at all. A 21in CRT is the only crt to have.
 
After gaming in HL2 for 2 hrs in 1920x1200 with my X850XT, I can safely say there's never a thing as "too much speed" or "too high resolution". Heck; we'd be still @ 640x480 if there weren't any need for those :)
 
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