Super Stardust HD Solo Update

Agree with Rainbow Man, an interview with the developers over at HouseMarque would be an interesting read. And yes, the number of objects on screen is astonishing, even with the minor slowdown when you bomb a densely packed area sometimes). Jere Sanisalo (the main programmer) gave a presentation on coding the PS3, but I haven't been able to find the video or transcript on Google:

http://www.xihalife.com/p/10584/
 
I found this, over at http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=17954 not very related, but still somewhat :)

Here's some translated bits of an interview with Housemarque creative director Harri Tikkanen and the lead programmer of Super Stardust HD, Jere Sanisalo. The interview was published in two parts, the first on on 9th of May 2007, so I suppose the interview was actually done in April 2007. Anyway, here are some of the most interesting parts. Hope you enjoy!

"Making Super Startdust HD has been quite optimal for us. We've been working on the side with our own technology, which will enable us to do bigger games again in the future. Even though our priority is now on smaller games, we want to make bigger publications in addition to these ones.

Note the plural, as Stardust is not Housemarque's only small project. The studio is currently working on another game for the Xbox 360 Live Arcade."

"The development os Super Stardust HD was started on PC, and the first PS3 devkits arrived in December. The project proceeded smoothly from the start, big thanks of which goes to the good tools and existing game technology in Housemarque.

-After three weeks, the game was playable, Tikkanen sums up.

The development was still running on pc, but things got exciting when the first real PS3 consoles arrived. Will it work? Will it run? Does everything need to started from scratch?

-It was a heated phase. We didn't know how fast the PS3 really was, what the APIs were like, let alone if the tool would work. The first month we didn't get the game running at all, Tikkanen reminiscents.

-The beginning looked intimidating. Our goal right from the start was to get the game running 60 fps. The first working version did 10 fps, if that. "Wow, this main processor is slow." Then we just moved stuff over to the SPUs and slowly understood better how the main processor works, and we were able to get more power out of it. Still, half of the power, half of the SPUs, is currently free.

-The Cell is a really fast processor, Sanisalo remarks.

-It has one main processor and seven vector processors, a sensible amount of power and it all runs independent of the main processor. Thus all particle effects, rocks, physics, collisions, everything is running on the SPUs. The main processor doesn't have that much to do anymore. And the programming is easy. To simplify: on pc you have to direct the graphic card one order at a time from the main processor, on the PS3 you can create the draw list of the whole next screen and the graphics card fetches the next order automatically after completing the previous one, without disturbing other running processes."

"And the publishing? What's it looking like?

-The game will be published in all three main areas through the PSN. I don't know the details of how it will be marketed. Luckily the game doesn't absolutely have to sell really well in the first week. The shops are not going to return unsold games, Tikkanen ponders."

"Then on to the financial questions. How profitable is it to make PSN games? What kind of pre payments and provisions you get?

-There's no financial risk for us what so ever. The pre payments have been paid and the royalties are good. There is more to share without all the middlemen. I don't know how well PSN games sell, but there are some good games like Tekken Dark Resurrection and GripShift - and a lot more are coming. So we would like to continue along this line and it is looking good.

How is making and selling games through the PSN compared to Xbox Live Arcade? You're also making a digitally distributed game for the Xbox [360].

-It took quite awhile for good games to come to Arcade after Geometry Wars. Most of the arcade ports are poor, Tikkanen says and then compares the online sales strategies of the console giants.

-Sony has a different tactic in their online store compared to Microsoft. Sony buys and publishes the games themselves, so they have a whole different level of control over their portfolio. Microsoft, in their part, provides the game developers or publishers a slot for which to make a game. They, however, have to fund the development themselves or get funding from elsewhere. So, Microsoft does not buy the games.

So the developer bears the risk and they have to cover their costs on Arcade sales alone? Microsoft does not support the process?

-The sales of Arcade games have very good royalties. It's a good possibility for publishers and wealthy studios, but not everybody can afford to develop a game on their own. In addition, getting funding can be surprisingly difficult. So, publishing Arcade games has some of that traditional way, that the publisher pays for the development and takes its cut.

-I don't know how to get on the Sony side if you won't sell your game to them. I don't know if they even have free development on their side. I'm sure it's coming.

Can you clarify a bit, how do these Microsoft slots work?

-A slot is a certain predetermined publish date that gives the developer a kind of guarantee that another similar game won't be published close to it."

"In today's world you can play around much more with pricing using online distribution, with no physical product in the store shelves. Instead of a 60€ mega game, a 10€ or 20€ costing game can be a very good alternative.

-A price tag of 60€ is too limiting, Tikkanen complains. People dare not take risks, and that leads to games being more of the same and in the end that's bad for all. But now there's a possiblity to make more varied games. And especially for the PS3, there will be bigger games also.

That's because Sony doesn't enforce a strict size limit for the games. Xbox Live Arcade games have certain maximun size limits, mostly because of the Xbox 360s without hard drives. All PS3s are sold with a hard drive, so the games and take up hunders of megabytes, and with Sony's permission close to and even above a gigabyte."
In addition to the parts above, I saw an interview of some guy grom Housemarque (can't remember who it was), and he stated that making Super Stardust HD took five working years. I did a bit of digging and it seems a reasonable monthly salary of a game programmer in Finland is in the range of 1800-2500€. Going with the upper figure and adding 2500€ additional monthly costs for the developer per programmer, you get a total cost of 300 000€, which I believe is the upper limit. The real figure is probably less than that, but compared to the cost of N+ that doesn't seem too unreasonable, they are in the same ballpark.
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Interesting stuff, there are a few other threads out there where this post would feel right at home, though I don't have time right now to find them.
 
Ah, so there are (were) some size restrictions on PSN games! Very interesting. "Hundreds of megabytes," and around a gig with permission. I wonder what the current status is?

It also covers what many of us were wondering about and discussing in the PSN development thread in regards to an avenue for indie devs on PSN. SCE's statements about their objective of "quality over quantity" would be hard to do if PSN development is opened up XNA style. That interview explains the disparity between the two. There is no avenue yet! Outside of SCE buying and funding your game.
 
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The housemarquee interview is from may 2007, there might have been changes since then. I mean if you look at Pixeljunk stuff and interviews, I think they said they published it themself on the PSN, then again I might remember wrongly.
 
Good find JPT! To add, this short news piece by YouGamers reveals that early development of SSHD began on the PC because SONY forgot to send HouseMarque a development kit. "Developing for the PS3 architecture's specific requirements gave a huge speed boost on a PC as well, as the small data packets Housemarque used achieved coherent cache hits on a PC processor."

http://www.yougamers.com/news/8488_housemarque_working_with_the_ps3_is_fun_helps_pcs_too/

Multiplayer module in May 2008? Sweet!

http://uk.playstation.com/games-media/news/articles/detail/item101144/PSN-party-picks/
 
I want the multiplayer module, if its possible it would be so sweet with online co-op.
 
What an awesome game this is! I had a go at endless mode today and just was really focussed for some reason, going straight from the bottom to the top of my friend's list. :) Man, that rain of red little triangles at some point is just really cool. I love this game! I also honed some time trial stuff, but little competition there (xmu, mostly ... can't beat that awesome 2 minute Lave time of yours yet, though I think I passed you on some of the other planets). Did I say I love this game? Great value for money!
 
I had a quick blast after your message, came close on 1st attempt, will find time and try and beat it. Looks insane!!
 
Apparently the multiplayer mode is already out, at least in the U.S.! It wasn't advertised much but just showed up in the store. Haven't looked myself yet if that goes for Europe too. It's reviewed on IGN as well (7.8).

Should be one for Shifty and his mates, with 4 player split-screen.
 
Been playing this a lot, the trophies rock. My best in endless is 24 million im in the top 1000 still I think.

They draw roughly 20,000 objects and roughly 145000 particles.

And they said they could increase that by 50% with doing pre process on the SPU.

jesus christ, these guys are crazy.

Edit::Make that 28,303015 and the top 500 :D
 
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I really like the game but haven't played it in awhile simply because I can't passd the first planet. I really want to play it but just get frustrated.
 
How the hell do you get a different ship? I have seen 4 different ships on the score boards yet I can only play with the gold one? wtf
 
ninzel said:
I really like the game but haven't played it in awhile simply because I can't passd the first planet.
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It took me a few attempts to get to grips with the game. I'd say the best tip is to turn the ruddy music off! That'll calm everything down and leave more brainpower for following 42,000 deadly objects buzzing about.

Mostly the rock shooting is a doddle. It's the showers of death that get yer, which is where you use those smart-bombs and boosts.

Not that I'm the right person to ask, only playing round my friends, and not beating the game yet ;)
 
Before 2.40 and trophies I played endless to 30M without dying with no problem but now when I try to get "survive 7mins at endless"-trophy I die constantly. Daymn! :)

Nice business decision from sony/partners to add trophies that need add-ons. No way to get platinum if I dont buy co-op pack.
 
Betanumerical said:
How the hell do you get a different ship? I have seen 4 different ships on the score boards yet I can only play with the gold one? wtf
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I believe there is a ship editor in the multi player pack that was online a little while and then got removed about the same time as the 2.4 fw.

http://uk.playstation.com/games-media/news/articles/detail/item101144/PSN-party-picks/

Soon even more people will be able enjoy the spectacular Super Stardust HD when a new multiplayer expansion is released during summer 2008, allowing split screen co-operative play, versus matches for up to four players on the same screen, a ship editor and more.
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