Billy Idol
Legend
Ok, sorry, I misunderstood you.
Hm, yeah...good question.
Are this the Xbox360 load times after full install?
If this are the numbers for the Xbox360 DVD version, this is somehow surprising and dissapointing.
*spin off* Game Installs & PS3
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Are this the Xbox360 load times after full install?
If this are the numbers for the Xbox360 DVD version, this is somehow surprising and dissapointing.
Prophecy2k
Veteran
Might the difference in load times be down to the difference in the amounts of system RAM on the two systems?
Not sure to be honest... ?
Even if it is a full install on the 360 version vs partial on PS3, would there still be a 3 second difference in loading times?
Then again... 3 seconds is like the time it takes for me to smell my own fart after it's exertion... so not really a big deal at all
Not sure to be honest... ?
Even if it is a full install on the 360 version vs partial on PS3, would there still be a 3 second difference in loading times?
Then again... 3 seconds is like the time it takes for me to smell my own fart after it's exertion... so not really a big deal at all
The disadvantage being that it's an added cost maybe? Oh, and that as time has gone on a larger hard drive has gone from being something nice to have (for your music, movies, photos, etc) to something that is almost a necessity?
Sorry, but I know it's easy to change a HD in the PS3. I also know that I could get a decent sized HD for around £40-£50. But then I keep asking myself.... why? Why should I pay extra to compensate for the design deficiencies of the PS3? It's not exactly my fault that Sony chose the PS3 as its main platform to push BluRay, when clearly the technology was too immature to be included in its industry-defining Playstation brand.
So my option, as a multiplatform holder, is to buy the majority of my games on the 360, reserving the PS3 for the occasional platform exclusive I find interesting. Of course, the added benefit of this approach is that, for the most part, the games I buy on the 360 look and/or run better on that platform anyway.
Billy Idol
Legend
Maybe because your 40 GB HDD annoys/angers you so much that it even derails you from having fun using your PS3.
Regarding dumb platform holder decisions: I don't think that Sony is any worse than MS (for instance: I bought an additional Elite, just because the MS geniuses decided that the launch Xbox360 doesn't need a HDMI port, decided that 20GB HDD is enough, ...
It's very much quid pro quo. I have that 20GB no HDMI version of the 360. Because of the noise of the DVD drive, I use the little space I have left to install the game I happen to be playing to the HDD fully. That's only just possible with games like Forza 3, which incidentally like Haldo ODST comes on two discs where you can (or in the case of Forza 3 have to - not having the Ring or Le Mans isn't really an option!) install the content on the second disc as DLC on the harddrive.
From that perspective though, I agree that upgrading the HDD in the PS3 should never become a requirement - however easy it is, the machine you've bought in the store should be good enough out of the box for gaming. Therefore I'm agreeing with Rotmm that full installs should never become a requirement. I only ever want to support a full HDD install as an option that doesn't require the disc to be in the drive when I play the game.
But I still believe they should never be necessary - using the HDD for caching should be enough. I personally think Sony were wise to have both BluRay and a Harddrive in all PS3s. The BluRay for me is a big plus still, and the only reason why it's not helping multi-platform games as much as it should is partly because the 360 uses DVDs that can hold 2GB less data than even the PS2's DVDs. PCs still using DVDs contributes to BD space being underused (no, not every game needs that much space, I know)
Everything has its advantages and disadvantages, but HDD + BluRay is a good combo that could still be used better.
Billy Idol
Legend
yep, I agree with both of you to some extend.
Just to clarify: I don't say that installing is good and I like playing out from the box as well (like everybody I think) and the necessary PS3 installations are ultra lame.
But for me if I had to choose between ultra long loading times (AC2 PS3 load times are slower even with install!!) or streaming issues compared to an (partial) install which takes 15min and 4 GB of my HDD which decrease load times/streaming issues I directly without hesitating choose the latter option...if it is Sony's fault or the fault of some devs don't help me in this situation because I just want to play games and boycotting PS and/or Sony is not an option for me either
(poor dependent me
)Weird, most of the people I know always install games to 360. Does that mean you don't?
TheWretched
Regular
As some people mentioned here, some games actually take longer to load with partial installs on PS3 than they do from DVD on 360. Since an HDD works the same as a DVD drive in the way it accesses data, this shouldn't happen. Either, the partial installs aren't as optimized as the DVD layout, or there's something else slowing down the data transfer (we do know that the data on the HDD is encrypted, but I doubt that this makes the drive slower than a DVD).
I recently sold my 60GB in favour of a Slim, and the HDD is notably faster, which is nice.
Also... I actually don't mind installs that much... only the installation itself should be done non-obstrusive... i.e. Fallout 3, which installs the game as you play, and as long as it isn't fully installed, the game takes longer to load, which is a GREAT system.
I recently sold my 60GB in favour of a Slim, and the HDD is notably faster, which is nice.
Also... I actually don't mind installs that much... only the installation itself should be done non-obstrusive... i.e. Fallout 3, which installs the game as you play, and as long as it isn't fully installed, the game takes longer to load, which is a GREAT system.
I think the difference is that a 360 owner can install the game they're playing most frequently, and uninstall those they play infrequently -- and simply play them off DVD for those infrequent revisits.
I know I do that, since I only have a 60GB HDD, and can only keep about 4 full game installs along with all the other XBL and XNA downloads.
The interesting side-effect of having optional, full game installs: when I play multiplayer, many of my friends list players and random people on XBL don't seem to install their games -- including the current popular title: COD:MW2. I regularly see the message "Waiting for peers to complete loading..." or some message similar to that.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I don't always install. I have games that are for my nephews/nieces/friends kids that I don't bother to install.
The games I play occasionally for a quick gaming fix I don't install either.
A game that I rent, I won't bother to install. Or if I borrow a game from a friend.
Actually, now that I think about it, it's actually quite rare that I bother to install the game to HDD.
That's actually one thing I love about the X360 compared to a PC. I can just pop in a game and play without having to do an install.
Regards,
SB
As I said in an earlier post, "Optional installs are fine. I often install the whole game onto the 360, not for speed but because the DVD drive is so fucking noisy. But I can do that at my leisure. More importantly, if someone comes round and we decide to have a quick game of "titleX", I can just pop it in the 360 and play."
As long as you install most of them, who cares whether it's optional or mandatory. Are you really arguing for the small fraction of games that you don't install?
I respect your opinion, and your wish to have option, but it's not really an option if you do it most of the time save for occasional friend visits for games you don't play.
In fact, mandatory install (especially for exclusive games) have the potential to give you better results.
Well, firstly, I don't install most of them. And secondly (again, as I said in a previous post) I like the ability to install at my leisure.
A recent title I installed to the 360 is MW2. However, when I got home after buying it I knew I had less than an hour before my wife got home, so I just popped it in and played (up to No Russian). Wife got home, pressed Y and started to install for later.
I have a 22 month old. So if it's my wifes turn to put him to bed, I know I have about 30 minutes with the TV to myself. So I may think I'll have a quick couple of races of Dirt 2. I don't have it installed, but if I was forced to install it then I'd only get in a single race.
Yes, I know 10 mins here of there isn't a big deal. But it does have the potential to be annoying, or worse to make one think "fuck it, I won't bother playing right now."
Maybe if I was single and living alone, it wouldn't bother me so much.
But think about it, if every BluRay film needed a 10 minute install before playing, there would be outrage. However, if I had the ability to install a BluRay film at my leisure, where potential benefits could be the elimination of drive noise or faster menus then I may choose to do it at my leisure.
In fact, have you never bought a movie that has 5 minutes of unskippable trailers before getting to the menu? How annoying is that?
How so?
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Mandatory installs would annoy the ever living @#$% out of me. I wouldn't want to install every single game I rented.
Same goes for games that get played maybe 2 days a month. Games I borrow from friends. Games I only play splitscreen when a friend comes over.
On the other hand, I LOVE having the option to install a game I plan on playing a lot.
But as said the main draw of a console for me, is that I can do a quick pop-and-play if I want.
Regards,
SB
Same goes for games that get played maybe 2 days a month. Games I borrow from friends. Games I only play splitscreen when a friend comes over.
On the other hand, I LOVE having the option to install a game I plan on playing a lot.
But as said the main draw of a console for me, is that I can do a quick pop-and-play if I want.
Regards,
SB
corduroygt
Banned
How about optimizing the first level or a mandatory tutorial of some sort (or a part of it) to stream from disk while the game installs on the background? Or you can do a non skippable cutscene that plays while the game is installed, which would be skippable next time you launched the game since the install was complete. I agree mandatory install is the best solution if you could mask it.
TheWretched
Regular
Tell me... how often do you have to install games? Usually once, don't you^^
Anyways, my point is, if you install it once, you don't have to do it again a day later playing the same game.
I KNOW that it always takes time, but it only takes time ONCE.
And, not all games have to be installed either. From the games I bought, less than half have installs (given I haven't bought too many games)
What I don't get is, most games install between 2 to 5GB of data, yet some games (DMC4 for example) take EXTREMELY long to do so... WHY IS THAT. I mean, it's not like you have MORE than enough space on Blu Ray to pack in an iso of the data you want installed additionally onto the disc, so the laser doesn't have to seek all over the place all the time. Plus, in most games the installation is an OS feature, which probably doesn't use any CPU. Having recently bought and installed Dragon Age Origins, which uses only 1 DVD9, yet it takes over 15GB installed, why don't use some freak compression algorithm so speed up the copying. I remember Evolution Studios saying that they stream in 2:1 compressed data in Motorstorm 1, so the loading would be sped up.
I think the distinction is that while I only install a game once (if I even bother), I will uninstall it once I'm done playing it through, to free up space. Granted I can always get a bigger HDD, but I don't want to bother with the backup/restore/etc.
Once I've uninstalled a game, I still may occasionally put it back in for a revisit. Obviously, I wouldn't want to sit through an install when that happens.
TheWretched
Regular
True... reinstalling sucks^^ But... at least now with the 120GB you have enough space for plenty games to be installed simultaneously!
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