Sony's profit nosedived by 98%, yes, NINETY EIGHT PER CENT!

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Electronic Sales Hit Sony Profit
Thursday July 24, 2:44 am ET
By Daisuke Wakabayashi

TOKYO (Reuters) - Consumer electronics giant Sony Corp. said on Thursday that group net profit tumbled 98 percent in the latest quarter, hurt by slumping sales for its Trinitron televisions and waning demand for PlayStation 2 game consoles.

Profit gains generated by its life insurance business could not offset weakness from the lack of a box-office blockbuster like last year's "Spider-Man" and falling sales of Vaio personal computers and stereo systems.

Sony is scrambling to rebuild its reputation after last year's shock fourth quarter loss, which prompted the company to unveil 300 billion yen in streamlining over three years to revamp its electronics business and improve profitability.

Sony said group net profit totaled 1.12 billion yen ($9.43 million), or 1.24 yen per share, for the April to June period versus last year's first quarter profit of 57.18 billion yen.

Revenues fell 6.9 percent to 1.60 trillion yen.

The results came in below expectations of seven industry analysts polled by Reuters journalists for a net profit of 6.2 billion yen on sales of 1.63 trillion yen.

Sony maintained its full-year consolidated earnings estimates of a net profit of 50 billion yen and an operating profit of 130 billion yen on sales of 7.4 trillion yen.

Operating profit fell 67.9 percent from a year earlier to 16.67 billion yen in the first quarter of the business year ending March 31, better than seven analysts' average expectations of 13.2 billion yen.

The games division, hitherto a driver for earnings growth, saw operating profit fall 31.6 percent in the first quarter from the same period a year earlier. Shipments of PS2 consoles fell 42 percent to 2.65 million units in April-June from a year ago.

Sony's financial businesses, including its online bank and life insurance company, saw an almost 30 percent jump in operating profit in the April to June period, helped by gains from investments. Sony, the world's largest consumer electronics maker, has seen profit margins slowly deteriorate in the face of price competition from Chinese and South Korean manufacturers, including Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd.

Samsung, often used as a comparison for Sony, said last week its April-June profit fell 41 percent on weak memory chip prices, but it still scored an operating margin of 11.8 percent versus just 1.0 percent for Sony in the first quarter. In the last three months, shares in Sony have recouped losses stemming from the earnings shock, which sent the shares down almost 25 percent in two trading days. But the shares have still fallen one percent in the last three months, compared to a 44 percent gain for rival Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. and a 38 percent rise for Samsung during that period.

Sony is now worth about $29 billion, versus $28 billion for Matsushita and $55 billion for Samsung
 
Unless Cell is some awesome godsome tech, i wonder whats stopping other big boys like, Matsushita/Samsung/Philips/etc from funding or partnering up(w/ MS Apple Intel etc?), to kick start their own BB chips?

Go Cell GO! :oops:
 
Sony is now worth about $29 billion, versus $28 billion for Matsushita and $55 billion for Samsung

you didn't have to BOLD it you know:p

looks like a saturation point is approaching, it's not like analysts aren't frequently off on their estimates.



Unless Cell is some awesome godsome tech, i wonder whats stopping others like big boys like, Matsushita/Samsung/Philips from funding or partnering up(w/ MS Apple Intel?), to kick start their own BB chips?

nothing except they would be behind by around 2 yrs and patnerships are decided at the corporate level. NOBODY does it to 'get' the other guy only for profit.

they just as likely move in on Sony's plans by cooperating.

I think you reading a little too much into this reagrding CELL and recent finacial reports.
 
2 yrs later is fine, since i feel the world around us is still not ready for the fancy BB life. Sony and Cell arent the only ones around. Who knows, maybe MS, developed a superb Longhorn OS and well, things might take from there.

PS3 CELL is so much critical to Sony than ever now. A major fuBAAAAAAR and who knows, The Playstation might just die out. Nothnig last forever. :p
 
Re: Sony's profit nosedived by 98%, yes, NINETY EIGHT PER CE

OMG! Sony is teh d00med! Poor guys only made $10Million in profit this quarter.

PS. Chap, PS2 numbers were shipments and it was widely rumored that Sony was trying to eliminate the PS2 inventories for the release of their new SCPH-50000(1) model and the BB-pack in. Which would explain the lack of PS2 shipment sales, when PS2 consumer sales as seen by NPD, et al, are still 2X the competition and up year-over-year last time I checked.

I wouldn't be too worried about them hitting 60M soon, or is it 70M?
 
PS3 CELL is so much critical to Sony than ever now. A major fuBAAAAAAR and who knows, The Playstation might just die out. Nothnig last forever

you are overestimating the importance of CELL revolutionising the world. all it has to do is launch in PS3 and the market will mormalise. expecting the same level of dominence similar to this gen is far-fetched and frankly ludifrous.

to screw this up they'd have to delay PS3, PS2 level GFX, and limited functionality. in other words pull an Nintendo in most respects.

Who knows, maybe MS, developed a superb Longhorn OS and well, things might take from there.

I am much less confident on the direction that lornhorn is going, is a OS? GUI with 3D DX10 knobs on? what? still I hope this will clarify itself soon.

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I see too, that the sales of PS2 is slagging off. Saturation yay? Time for PS2 gamers to move on to "newer" consoles. Sales of "newer" consoles to grow?

move on? unless the sale of other consoles aer actively taking PS2 sales then I don't see it, at current prices 2 console households aren't exactly hard to find u know.

varietion is a good thing. (3 console owner here. ie penniless)

The Sony Slump continues....I wonder how it will affect the PS3...

your not trying to troll right? that it was planned for in advance (hence the restructuring and consolidation of unprofitable businesses) while a slump in the general sense is the forst signicant dent in their profits.

you make it sound like they've been slumping along for years.
 
While sales may be down 98% for SONY( not SCE) from last quarter, but it is less than a 10% decrease from last years quarter. It has been 3 years since the ps2 came out, so I expect the sales from SCE to be down(18% decrease).
 
Re: Sony's profit nosedived by 98%, yes, NINETY EIGHT PER CE

Vince said:
OMG! Sony is teh d00med! Poor guys only made $10Million in profit this quarter.

Or we can see it as NINETY EIGHT PER CENT LESSER :LOL: Half empty glass or half full glass we do the seeth?

Anyway, PS2 sales are going to level off. Besides, we have better alternatives now, than comparing to the 32bit days.
 
to screw this up they'd have to delay PS3, PS2 level GFX, and limited functionality. in other words pull an Nintendo in most respects

Everything is possible considering the rumored crazy architecture, ambitous 65nm process etc.

GUI with 3D DX10 knobs on? what? still I hope this will clarify itself soon.
There is nothing wrong with 3D GUI. That is what you see with PS2 and very very likely PS3. Longhorn i am sure, will work on bringing the power of PC world and comforts and simplicity of Living Room Entertainment together. Same ideals as Sony, but who will succeed? :oops: :?: :oops:
 
Or we can see it as NINETY EIGHT PER CENT LESSER Half empty glass or half full glass we do the seeth?

what? the initial estimates are around 89% reduction in profits. they missed the mark by an not insignicant 9%.

it's not good news but hardly the disaster you are implying.

Anyway, PS2 sales are going to level off. Besides, we have better alternatives now, than comparing to the 32bit days.

then why the didn't you say so? and by better I would say more (Nintendo for some of the more hardcore, MS for some varierity).


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There is nothing wrong with 3D GUI. That is what you see with PS2 and very very likely PS3. Longhorn i am sure, will work on bringing the power of PC world and comforts and simplicity of Living Room Entertainment together. Same ideals as Sony, but who will succeed?

ahem

Everything is possible considering the rumored crazy architecture, ambitous 65nm process etc.


look I like what I am seeing of lornhorn so far. but it's aims differ quite a bit from home entertainment systems PS3 et all.
 
Re: Sony's profit nosedived by 98%, yes, NINETY EIGHT PER CE

chaphack said:
Anyway, PS2 sales are going to level off. Besides, we have better alternatives now, than comparing to the 32bit days.

Um, how so? Sony Group makes profits on shipment sales to retailers. Thus, as this is a long-term investment and PS2's history is solid in the vendors eyes, you wouldn't see contraction in this channel forward of a decline. Rather, it would be a trailing indicator.

Where you'd see the leading-indicator of consumer demand contraction (or a shift as you're talking about) is in the monthly sales from the vendors (eg. NPD, et al). Which we just don't see at this time:

June NPD Hardware Sales said:
PS2 - 440,834
Xbox - 166,879
GC - 124,080
GBA - 660,366

US Hardware Sell Through said:
128-bit hardware sales were down 37% year over year, but up 48% sequentially. Sony’s PS2 unit sales in June were up 53% sequentially, but down 37% year over year. Microsoft’s Xbox unit sales in June were up 35% sequentially but down 36% year over year. Nintendo GCN unit sales in June were up 47% sequentially but down 42% year over year.

Thus, I was initially wrong and I applogize, as this is indicative of an overall market contraction. Keep in mind that PS2's relative preformance even during this market contraction is at a multiple of the competitors sales greater than 2

So, actually, there is minimal inventory clearing as the market preformance (~down 37%) is enough to explain the PS2 sales year-over-year (~down 42%) with perhaps slight inventory clearing.


EDIT: What I find odd is that the industries sales are down... Is the electronics industry a trailing macroeconomic indicator? It just seems odd in light of consumer setiment and the economic forcast.
 
Anyway, PS2 sales are going to level off. Besides, we have better alternatives now, than comparing to the 32bit days.
Console cannot reach it's market saturation and 'level off' at $200 price point. That much is obvious if you are not one of those who claimed the same thing since two years ago, and still secretly prays for that day to come soon. As the price drops to $150 and $100, more and more new people will start buying. As far as I know, PS2 at it's point in life has sold, and continues to sell more than PSX in it's respectable point.

expecting the same level of dominence similar to this gen is far-fetched and frankly ludifrous.
It's reasonable to expect that PS2 owning people will continue to buy the next console in the series. It's a huge brand name, today's synonim for videogames, actually. If Sony plays it's cards right, it will leave it's competitors in the dust again. This time they (competition) won't even have the hardware power advantage to brag about.

It's a difficult issue to predict, obviously, and depends a lot of what might happen in the next two years. For all we know, interest in one or another console can suddenly drop-off, making it look weak at the end of this gen, thus making for a difficult start next gen. That would automatically mean easier job and more sales for it's competition.
 
Profit: The positive gain from an investment or business operation after subtracting for all expenses. opposite of loss.

Profit != Sales, Proceeds, Earnings

I am not suprised to see low profits in times of heavy investments.
 
Yeah, Samsung surprised me too.

Heck, I still consider them to be some kind of B-quality company... given blind option between their product and something made by say, Sony/Toshiba, I wouldn't even think twice what I'd buy :\
 
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