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[Panajev2001a]

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CELL OS has the chance of, the big chance, of being Linux b ased at heart and it will play in the CELF strategy.

Linux based, yes. CELF compliant? No way.

Way Ted...

You do not want to believe that as it would be good news for CELL, good news for Ken Kutaragi and you do not want that.

It has nothing to do with beliefs; these are facts.

Facts ?

Like all your PlayStation 2 predictions ?

Descend the high horse you are riding on the soap box you set-up on that pedistal of yours and then we can talk again.

 

[kaching]

Chaphack! Get in here!

DeadMeat said:

It has nothing to do with beliefs; these are facts.

Since you seem to be so concerned about assumptions in this thread, I assumed you'd want to be informed, assuming your ears weren't already tingling.

I guess you'll have something to say to me too for all the assumptions I just made

 

[Grall]

Wireless certainly isn't a "gimmick" if for the sole reason that it makes Joe Consumer more able to understand and use and feel easier about buying devices.

Blah blah blah.

The number of computers with built-in wireless ethernet is basically limited to certain laptops only. If Joe Consumer first has to buy Expensive Gadget, then Expensive Wireless Access Point (AND find the right jack to plug it into - which might actually be USB ironically enough, or even require an ethernet add-in board), and then on top of it all still stick a wall wart in a power socket to charge said Expensive Gadget...

Which alternative is easier, all that, or just plugging in a firewire/USB docking station? If Joe Consumer can't handle a fuckin docking station, what's the chance he has the slightest chance of operating the device itself?! Near zero, I'd say.

You make very little sense, and not a good case for whatever point it was you're trying to make...

Wireless is a gimmick. Besides, it gives rise to all kinds of privacy/security concerns too, stuff that Joe Consumer *definitely* isn't equipped to handle.


*G*

 

[chaphack]

Kaching, i leave DMGA to you, while i take care of Paul. Fine with that?

 

[cybamerc]

This thing has a better chance of success as a movie player than the PSP as ppl will be able to play pirated movies on it. Still, it's a niche product much like portable DVD players, perhaps more so.

 

[marconelly!]

Fixed storage is great, personally I would much rather have a PSP with a HD

While that would certainly be cool for music/video playback, it would completely kill off PSP as a gaming device, as there simply wouldn't be enough space in it for a removable UMD drive anymore (and just the HD alone would make the device insanely expensive anyways) For a device to be successful mainstream gaming product it pretty much still needs to have retail game distribution, and not some 'vague' (for Joe Average anyways) downloadable dellivery method.

As it is, I'd much rather have a kickass gaming device with limited music/video playback capabilities (as long as I can use memory stick to play those it's cool by me) than an insta-failed gaming device with excellent video playback capabilities

 

[cybamerc]

marconelly!:

> As it is, I'd much rather have a kickass gaming device with limited
> music/video playback capabilities

Get a GBA.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wireless certainly isn't a "gimmick" if for the sole reason that it makes Joe Consumer more able to understand and use and feel easier about buying devices.

Blah blah blah.

The number of computers with built-in wireless ethernet is basically limited to certain laptops only. If Joe Consumer first has to buy Expensive Gadget, then Expensive Wireless Access Point (AND find the right jack to plug it into - which might actually be USB ironically enough, or even require an ethernet add-in board), and then on top of it all still stick a wall wart in a power socket to charge said Expensive Gadget...

Which alternative is easier, all that, or just plugging in a firewire/USB docking station? If Joe Consumer can't handle a fuckin docking station, what's the chance he has the slightest chance of operating the device itself?! Near zero, I'd say.

You make very little sense, and not a good case for whatever point it was you're trying to make...

Wireless is a gimmick. Besides, it gives rise to all kinds of privacy/security concerns too, stuff that Joe Consumer *definitely* isn't equipped to handle.


*G*

Netgear WiFi access point 802.11b = ~$50

PlayStation 3 will probably have WiFi support and an Ethernet port being able to thus function as PSP's Access Point.

 

[chaphack]

PlayStation 3 will probably have WiFi support.

PSX2.

 

[Panajev2001a]

PlayStation 3 will probably have WiFi support.

PSX2.

PlayStation 3 should work as the Next Home Server as well

Also, it will surely have USB 2.0 and that can also be used to share the connection ( there are USB 1.0 based Cable Modems which attach to the USB port of your Computer ).

Still knowing that a separate, 2003 model, Netgear 802.11b Router with 4 10/100 Mbps ports cost around $50... I think PlayStation 3 should be able to afford a WiFi link and 1x10/100 Mbps Ethernet port.

Leave to PSX2 things like Re-Writeable Blu-Ray plus HUGE Serial ATA HDD

 

[Paul]

Home networks are cheap anyway.

Anyone with any type of Broadband connection can turn their entire house into a WIFI hotspot with around 100 bucks.

Don't be surprised if come PSP many people already have WIFI enabled houses.

 

[kaching]

Kaching, i leave DMGA to you, while i take care of Paul. Fine with that?

Fine with me, as long as you acknowledge that that means you aren't as balanced as you say you are...

 

[London Geezer]

for christ's sake, what's with the fighting today???

can't you guys get over each other and DISCUSS THE TOPICS.

today it's been a total "I SAY THIS TO YOU BECAUSE U SAID THIS TO ME!!"

jesus....

(notice how i have not posted anything today, since there were NO discussions actually happening, apart from flaming contests, and i always post cuz i'm always online....)

 

[chaphack]

Why need WiFI when you can make do with USB2.0? Broadband is tuff at homes, WiFI is even much tuffer. Sony didnt even want WiFi for PSP, till it kinda struck them(aka developer request) that portable + wireless = logical.

Then again PS2 did have firewire, tho it ended up totally useless on the whole, and they cut that off eventually.

 

[notAFanB]

Why need WiFI when you can make do with USB2.0? Broadband is tuff at homes, WiFI is even much tuffer. Sony didnt even want WiFi for PSP, till it kinda struck them(aka developer request) that portable + wireless = logical.

I don't think we do, especially since alot of ppls seem to have trouble with even USB and Firewire.

if it come it'll likely have to be reliable And transparent.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Why need WiFI when you can make do with USB2.0? Broadband is tuff at homes, WiFI is even much tuffer. Sony didnt even want WiFi for PSP, till it kinda struck them(aka developer request) that portable + wireless = logical.

Then again PS2 did have firewire, tho it ended up totally useless on the whole, and they cut that off eventually.

Sony wanted WiFi, but as an accessory for PSP ( not like SCE cannot sell accessories to its customers ) and developers requested WiFi embedded in PSP as they plan to use it and it is in Sony's best interest to make it work and to allow it to be used efficiently.

WiFi + Access Point = Online multiplayer action.

Access points are not too expensive.

Why not include a cheap 802.11b Access Point in PlayStation 3 ?

It would be an added bonus for PSP users to get PlayStation 3 and for PlayStation 3 users to get PSP.

They might have other plans for USB and some people might not like to be forced ( which is different from having the option ) to use a PSP USB connection to a modem or a computer or to PlayStation 3 to play Online.

I do not think that in future revisions of PSP either USB 2.0 or WiFi will be cut: PlayStation 2 has 2xUSB 1.0 ports and 1xFireWire port plus 2xMemory Card Slots.

PSP would have: 1xMemory Stick slot and 1xUSB 2.0 port, the WiFi antenna will be basically internal and apmlified like they do in some cell-phones.

FireWire was cut as most people did not find an use for it and it felt redundant: USB 2.0 and WiFi would be used for different purposes as well as some over-lapping.

USB 2.0 will have the advantage of allowing to recharge PSP's batteries wile being docked to PlayStation 3 ( and maybe PlayStation 2 [this would not work with other PSP devices IMHO, that is you should not use a PSP to recharge another PSP] ) and you could even play while recharging the batteries so it would not interrupt your gameplay.

WiFi 802.11 allows for trasnparent Online gaming and PSP-to-PSP connectivity.

 

[MfA]

While that would certainly be cool for music/video playback, it would completely kill off PSP as a gaming device, as there simply wouldn't be enough space in it for a removable UMD drive anymore (and just the HD alone would make the device insanely expensive anyways) For a device to be successful mainstream gaming product it pretty much still needs to have retail game distribution, and not some 'vague' (for Joe Average anyways) downloadable dellivery method.

Not downloadable perse, that can work ... but for most people it would take way too much time. Content would just be on CDs or DVDs, the online connection is necessary to be able to have effective DRM with freely copyable media.

 

[cthellis42]

Grall, everything counts as "gimmick" before it becomes widely-adopted. 3D cards, optical mice, USB and FireWire themselves... They all require additional costs to use and are more expensive at first, as well as only being available on fewer devices--then if the market demand for them is high enough, they become intrinsic.

The number of computers each household has is on the rise, and the number of devices people can and do want to connect to their PC's are ever-increasing as well, so even just thinking about wires and docking stations alone, there is PLENTY of appeal for wireless. The easier something is to use, the more appealing it is to the average person, the more sales it gets, and the more it drives down costs and increases adoption rates. Computers today are entirely filled with devices that started out as "gimmick" and have been for the past decade.

There are oh-so-many things that are not necessities right now, but are easily recognized as becoming them in the future. Companies adopting certain things now may be seen as overdoing it unnecessarily, but in a few years as trends continue towards their eventuality, they'll also be seen as being "ahead of the curve" as well as being ahead on refining the process to exactly what the public wants, while lowering costs, and furthering development for the next steps.

 

[marconelly!]

Get a GBA.

Well, most games that I like on GBA I either can play emulated on SNES emulator for Pocket PC, or the GBA emulator on it. Pocket PC is seriously a heaven for handheld 2D gaming emulation.

PSP on the other hand has the high-tech appeal and will be something new to me.

 

[chaphack]

Pana,

WiFi is cool and all, would love to use PS3 with our existing WiFi network but i dont think it be useful for the average joe. Do they even know what WiFi is or bothered to set one up, hell do they even have broadband?

Of coz, it can just be use to transfer data but i saya, IIRC 802.11b is bout 11mbps while USB2 is 40mpbs, thinketh USB2 is more than enough. And i dont think additional cross WiFi capabilities will make PSP/PS3 counter attractive...maybe to tech Pana yes, but average Joe...Hmmm...
Cost is still cost and its pretty wasteful for builit in WiFi on a lil game console, maybe as an addon we have for those that demand wireless.

WiFi is cool/needed for PSP coz you can play head on with your PSP brudders wirelessly. Like what Ngage is doing with Bluetooth. That make sense coz portables + wires = messy.

I do not think that in future revisions of PSP either USB 2.0 or WiFi will be cut

Im not saying Sony will cut featues from PSP, but they might learn a thing or two bout adding too much extra features in their game console. Leave the excessive for products that demand that, ie PSX2 set top server(Hmm...does PSX even have WiFi?).