http://www.destructoid.com/sony-nda-prohibits-developers-opinions-29482.phtml
What's your thought on this? Sorry if old
What's your thought on this? Sorry if old
Sony NDA prohibits developers opinions
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Well, my opinion on this depends if these people (especially so Nina, for example - you know, being into the business side of things, perhaps they've got some further insight into Sony's goals than we have. It does suck that plenty of people who probably know nothing more (sony info-wise) than us about it can't even comment on anything though, but heh.
Uttar
Uttar
How much did we ever here from the XBOX developers? unless they all hide and post on some unknown forums hosted on Internet 3 i would say basicly nothing.
How much are we hearing from 360 developers? just as much.
It seems that every little flaw their were with the PS2 and now the PS3 gets magnified, trolled and posted on every forum imaginable. I can easily see why Sony is telling everyone to shut the fuck up when it´s having such a hard time. The XBOX had problems with it´s internal drive, it overheated it actually could burn, very very little was made of this on the public forums. The PS2 just plain sucked and died in millions, at least if you read the forums.
The same thing is repeating itself with the 360 vs PS3, the 360 must be one of the worst manufactored consoles EVER, and it´s just not a real issue anyway.
The XBOX had zero limitations in it´s hardware, the PS2 had nothing but limitations. The 360 is just as powerfull as the PS3, well actually, the 360 CPU is on par with the Cell and the Xenon is vastly superior to the RSX. And the DVD drive is faster than the incredible slow BluRay drive that will never see it´s capacity used anyway.
From here it just looks like Sony is copying Microsoft (who most have told everyone to shut up as well), but surprise, Sony sucks and them doing this is of course bad.
How much are we hearing from 360 developers? just as much.
It seems that every little flaw their were with the PS2 and now the PS3 gets magnified, trolled and posted on every forum imaginable. I can easily see why Sony is telling everyone to shut the fuck up when it´s having such a hard time. The XBOX had problems with it´s internal drive, it overheated it actually could burn, very very little was made of this on the public forums. The PS2 just plain sucked and died in millions, at least if you read the forums.
The same thing is repeating itself with the 360 vs PS3, the 360 must be one of the worst manufactored consoles EVER, and it´s just not a real issue anyway.
The XBOX had zero limitations in it´s hardware, the PS2 had nothing but limitations. The 360 is just as powerfull as the PS3, well actually, the 360 CPU is on par with the Cell and the Xenon is vastly superior to the RSX. And the DVD drive is faster than the incredible slow BluRay drive that will never see it´s capacity used anyway.
From here it just looks like Sony is copying Microsoft (who most have told everyone to shut up as well), but surprise, Sony sucks and them doing this is of course bad.
This is a lose-lose situation, IMHO.
A) When they eventually speak, the internet (the console forums) would squabble over their authenticity, or whether they're just being biased and praising SONY because it's releasing their game, and blah blah blah whatever else someone comes up with about the dev's blah blah blah. So we basically lose!
B) Then we have the other side, where they offer us invaluable information and insight on the system, and express their true feelings for how they see gaming and what they'd like to achieve - and we all go "awwwww" - before scenario eventually plays out! So we lose again.
Good thing or bad? I'm split down the middle!
A) When they eventually speak, the internet (the console forums) would squabble over their authenticity, or whether they're just being biased and praising SONY because it's releasing their game, and blah blah blah whatever else someone comes up with about the dev's blah blah blah. So we basically lose!
B) Then we have the other side, where they offer us invaluable information and insight on the system, and express their true feelings for how they see gaming and what they'd like to achieve - and we all go "awwwww" - before scenario eventually plays out! So we lose again.
Good thing or bad? I'm split down the middle!
Scummy media spin, again. 'How do you keep devs from saying anything negative about your platform?' NDA's prevent them saying anything about your platform, and they're universal. But hey, let's just say Sony have put a gag order out so their devs can't bad-mouth them, and leave readers thinking that Sony are trying to hush the massed angry developers, while MS and Nintendo have no such NDA's and devs on those platforms are only not heard saying negative things because there's nothing negative to say.
Does that mean that they can't even say anything positive about the platform? 
Does that mean that they can't even say anything positive about the platform?
They don`t need to. The whole internet is full of positive stuff about the platform
Am i the only one that thinks....Hmmmmm ?
Fu3lFr3nzy
Regular
funny but honestly I think he was saying the difference tech wise between XB360 and PS3 is negligible in comparision to ps2 - xbox.And also that any (negative) news lately regarding sony is blown out of proportion. I'd say any news at all regarding Sony has always been blown out of proportion - we're just not used to seeing this much of it being negative.
By the way, in the last generation what was most important for the technical advantage of Xbox over PS2 (not that it helped them that much) was a) the amount of memory and b) the arguably better for general use GPU. It was not the CPU by any means. Why is Cell now considered so important?
Black Dragon37
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Od Sony is gonna get fucked by FUD - it's the current console leader, for God's sake!
What part of non-disclosure agreement don't people understand? When I sign one, I'm basically saying that I'm allowing the other party to penalize me if I divulge to others the information I gain through the NDA, be that information technical (e.g. clockspeeds) or marketing (e.g. launch plans). Thus, it's in my own best interest to play it safe and not saying anything at all, good or bad. Why is that so remarkable?
But of course, info does leak out, like the 360's tiling issues, or the PS3's triangle setup limitations. The least info leak has been from the Wii, and yet nobody is vilifying Nintendo's iron-clad NDA. Double standards are the MO of fanb-ys.
But of course, info does leak out, like the 360's tiling issues, or the PS3's triangle setup limitations. The least info leak has been from the Wii, and yet nobody is vilifying Nintendo's iron-clad NDA. Double standards are the MO of fanb-ys.
I´m not saying that, that is what we are been told, it´s just that afaik the Cell is faster, alot faster actually than the 360 CPU for 3D games, but somehow Microsoft managed to convince the world it´s not the case (or they are right?). The same is the case when it comes to XENON, the RSX sucks, it´s old it can´t do shit when compared to XENON though from reading here and just plain specs it looks to be on par with the XENON.
In regards to XBOX vs PS2 i think the XBOX had a few titles that showed it was superior and for everyone of these titles (and more) there were a PS2 title that was just as impressive (but always exclusive). It´s going to be interesting if the Sony claimed superiorty in performance will ever show up or it´s going to be like the PS2 vs XBOX.
To those that missed the point of the above I believe that the OP was indicating that all of the above are opinions that have resulted from Microsoft having a similar NDA and therefore people have only been able to badmouth the PS3 up until now. They are not his personal opinions.
I think though, -tkf- that your perspective is colored by the fact that you would consider negative comments about the XBOX and 360 as facts (and therefore not trolling and rumor-mongering) as opposed to the negative comments about the PS3 which surely must have an ulterior motive.
ah - well pordon me then.:smile:
From most devs the consensus seems to be pretty clear and really shouldn't be an issue aside from a special case here or there that overall on a technical level the xbox360 and ps3 are on par enough to where the difference is negligible.
Agree on this NDA being a non-issue and really shouldn't be a big deal.
Whether other companies have similar contracts I don't know. I would be rather surprised about it, but I don't know.
But really, think about it. What is the only reason Sony would require an NDA like this? They're afraid that the response will be significantly negative. There's no other rational explanation I can think of. So why are you trying to spin it as Sony holding back any developer opinions? That's just the best way for Sony to hold back negative opinions.
Well I perhaps used the words 'any opinions' a little loosely, and my reason for spinning was to counter-spin the idea that the NDAs are created just to prevent 1st party devs saying bad things about Sony. Imagine there is no NDA. How many 1st party devs do you think would freely criticise their parent company in public? The reason for the 'can't talk, I'm under NDA' is because the NDAs are very restrictive overall.
Imagine Sony are planning a price reduction of £50 in 6 months, and the devs know about this. Should they be allowed to talk to the press about it? Nope. So you slap an NDA on them to be sure they don't talk any plans at all, or give out any info that you don't want them to. That same NDA would also stop them complaining about you...but that's not the reason for the the NDA as this article claims. The fact Sony pays the devs wages is enough to be sure they don't say anything bad about Sony! The NDA exists to control information, and is universal in the industry, and i doubt Sony's is any different in that regard to anyone else's.
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