Some US Black Friday sales numbers

[eastmen]

The game being even $60 new is irrelevant as it has a sequel out that is clearly the talk of the town. The 2 pack in's are garbage also. Games need to be relevant to count.

Lego batman is a damn good family game of which myself and my little cousin (8) enjoyed dozens of hours playing. I never played pure so I can't comment on that.

As for cod 4 , yes it has a sequal . but its still a good game and many people might like to try the game to see what hte fuss is about .

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Lego batman is a damn good family game of which myself and my little cousin (8) enjoyed dozens of hours playing. I never played pure so I can't comment on that.

As for cod 4 , yes it has a sequal . but its still a good game and many people might like to try the game to see what hte fuss is about .

If the bundle was COD4, Lego Batman, and Pure, that seems like a quite excellant starter "family" bundle.

You have something for the adults, something for the kids...basically something for everyone.

It's a bad bundle if you are marketing towards the hardcore obviously. But it seems to be perfectly bundled for a family looking to buy a console.

And since there's no numbers released by MS other than a rather vague "double the previous week," there's no way to know whether X360 sold more than PS3 or not...

Regards,
SB

 

[Rangers]

In my opinion, MS conceded this holiday when they announced Natal for fall 2010. The Natal announcement meant "we are not doing a price cut this year, but we will have a big one in 2010." These results are not at all surprising to me. MS is conceding this holiday, much like Sony did last year. It might be a worthwhile strategy, waiting patiently while Slim and GT5 pass, which were going to be big competition no matter what MS did. There's a lot riding on Natal and the re-marketing that will be associated with it. It's a gamble and a gutsy move. I predict a massive push of 360/Natal by MS in 2010, and then their next-gen console announced at E3 2011.

That would make no sense at all..if they're going to do a "massive push" with Natal then they are going to stick with it on 360 for at least two years. If they are launching a new console in 2011, then they would have just waited and launched Natal with it.

I dont see Xbox 3 until fall 2012 or fall 2013. I see 2013 as the upper limit because that is when the next mainline Halo game should be due since they come out every 3 years, and I dont see another Halo on 360. And also I believe there have been help wanted ads needing people to work on a "next gen" Halo.

 

[dobwal]

I dont see Xbox 3 until fall 2012 or fall 2013. I see 2013 as the upper limit because that is when the next mainline Halo game should be due since they come out every 3 years, and I dont see another Halo on 360. And also I believe there have been help wanted ads needing people to work on a "next gen" Halo.

Personally, I think MS will release during the spring of 2012 or 2013. It makes no sense to do a worldwide release during Christmas holidays because there is never enough stock to go around. Unless, its your very first attempt at selling a console, where you want to make sure you release when demand is maximized.

 

[Acert93]

Personally, I think MS will release during the spring of 2012 or 2013. It makes no sense to do a worldwide release during Christmas holidays because there is never enough stock to go around. Unless, its your very first attempt at selling a console, where you want to make sure you release when demand is maximized.

It makes sense if you are the first to market, have the momentum to motivate early adopters, and can use the holiday rush/demand to keep prices high.

 

[rekator]

It makes sense if you are the first to market, have the momentum to motivate early adopters, and can use the holiday rush/demand to keep prices high.

And also make Buzz by the Stock rupture… who is translate in average consumer mind: "Damned this new product is already in rupture, I WANT this!"
And for the launch date of a new xbox, follow the gears 3 announcement.

 

[eastmen]

That would make no sense at all..if they're going to do a "massive push" with Natal then they are going to stick with it on 360 for at least two years. If they are launching a new console in 2011, then they would have just waited and launched Natal with it.

I dont see Xbox 3 until fall 2012 or fall 2013. I see 2013 as the upper limit because that is when the next mainline Halo game should be due since they come out every 3 years, and I dont see another Halo on 360. And also I believe there have been help wanted ads needing people to work on a "next gen" Halo.

It makes perfect sense .

2010 you come out with a redesigned 360 with natal . 2011 drop a new 300/400 dollar console and drop the 360 to $100.

Now sony is stuck in 2011 with a ps3 which will most likely still be $200 or more and no new console. The people going in to buy a cheap console will likely choose the 360 and those who want the best graphics or the hardcore will be moving on to the next ms system already.

They can launch that year with whatever cod is new and most likely a few smaller first party games (perfect dark ? ) and then up convert ports of 360/ps3 games and pc ports. Sell through their inital stock and then have a halo ready for when the ps4 launches the year before. I think ms can be in a great postion if they don't pull another RROD card out of the lot. To be perfectly frank. I think we will see a reverse of this gen. Sony and MS will be neck and neck again but they will be out in front of nintendo. I don't see nintendo pulling the same magic a second time

I don't see why ms would suddenly want to launch second or on time with sony. launching first really helped them this time and I'm sure it can help them next time


also i'm ready for new graphics . The ones we have are getting tiring.

 

[dobwal]

It makes sense if you are the first to market, have the momentum to motivate early adopters, and can use the holiday rush/demand to keep prices high.

If you can't generate enough demand for a spring launch of a second or third generation console to sell the usual limited volume of your typical launch then your console is probably not going to benefit from a holiday launch. The typical volumes we have seen from MS, Sony and Nintendo at launch would be outstripped by demand regardless of timing unless you trying to sell the equivalent of a Jaguar or T-16. Plus, being out of stock during Christmas is alot easier and more expected by the public then being out of stock during spring.

However, what you say is true in respect of the 360. It did make sense for MS to drop holiday 05 because Sony was targetting spring 06. But the ideal launch is spring not the holiday season unless you are pushing a first gen console or circumstances exist where you are trying to launch earlier than your comp.

A spring launch of a non-first gen console with any kind of a chance of being successful would have enough demand to sell 1-2 million consoles worldwide and then build up healthy volume to satisfy the holiday season. The PS2 was launched in such manner using a staggered strategy where it launched in Japan only in the spring and then expanded worldwide during the following holiday season.

Given that Sony had failed to launch during spring 06, MS could have launched at that time period, while maintaining the initial production schedule and would have produced similar sales but added caveat that they would have been recorded those sales within in the first 8-9 months within the same calender year and not 13-14 months spanning two holidays. The delayed launch may have also given MS a chance to have caught and corrected the issues that led to the RROD fiasco.

 

[Carl B]

To the topic, Sony continues to push hard on the bundles. Some retailers are having truly attractive deals on Sony TV and PS3 bundles, and I think it's drawing a lot of additional buyers... this time numerically speaking probably more relevant for the TV sales. I do wonder what the per-unit loss Sony is taking on these are, but in terms of mindshare and units moved, they've obviously decided that this season is a time they are going to push.

 

[patsu]

Yap, will attract mostly core gamers and movie folks.

I think they will need to show us some useful non-games to attract a different segment of users. Some of my PS3 friends don't even know what their Photo Gallery can do. They were pleasantly surprised when I showed them the "Group by age, number of people, expression" stuff. If PS3 can access remote media (over SMB, AFP, etc.), it would be great !

Wondering what form the non-game SDK will take.

 

[NavNucST3]

To the topic, Sony continues to push hard on the bundles. Some retailers are having truly attractive deals on Sony TV and PS3 bundles, and I think it's drawing a lot of additional buyers... this time numerically speaking probably more relevant for the TV sales. I do wonder what the per-unit loss Sony is taking on these are, but in terms of mindshare and units moved, they've obviously decided that this season is a time they are going to push.

I still can't believe you labelled the PS3 as "THE" thing to purchase in the face of the DS numbers. It wouldn't surprise me if the PS3 + PSP did not equal the Wii alone.

 

[patsu]

I think xbd meant the retailers and Sony created attractive deals to push the PS3 bundles.

He did not say PS3 is the system to purchase. That's obviously up to individual buyers.

 

[NavNucST3]

I think xbd meant the retailers and Sony created attractive deals to push the PS3 bundles.

He did not say PS3 is the system to purchase. That's obviously up to individual buyers.

I certainly got a different impression from "...and I think it's safe to say that the PS3 was *the* system this Black Friday... everyone was highlighting them, and everyone was looking for deals on them."

 

[patsu]

Ah, from a previous post.

I still can't believe you labelled the PS3 as "THE" thing to purchase"...

He's not recommending or labeling the PS3 as the thing to purchase. He's saying "the PS3 was THE system this Black Friday" -- because there were a lot of buzz/attention generated (Funny advertisements, bundles cited on many fora, benefited from Blu-ray rise, etc.). Everyone was highlighting the bundles/deals and looking for them BUT the PS3s did not sell out.

The DS outsells PS3 for a good many reasons, but it didn't get as much buzz from where I'm sitting. It certainly is the best selling consoles this Black Friday.

 

[Nesh]

Ah, from a previous post.



He's not recommending or labeling the PS3 as the thing to purchase. He's saying "the PS3 was THE system this Black Friday" -- because there were a lot of buzz/attention generated (Funny advertisements, bundles cited on many fora, benefited from Blu-ray rise, etc.). Everyone was highlighting the bundles/deals and looking for them BUT the PS3s did not sell out.

The DS outsells PS3 for a good many reasons, but it didn't get as much buzz from where I'm sitting. It certainly is the best selling consoles this Black Friday.

Why should we compare handhelds with consoles to begin with? This isnt even an apples to oranges comparison. It's like comparing potato chips with a stake

 

[patsu]

It depends on the readers' perspective. Probably not so meaningful to compare apples and oranges.

But it doesn't change the observation that over Black Friday week...
(i) DS has the highest overall and portable console sales
(ii) Wii has the best home console sales (probably)

PS3 has really positive buzz and good sales number thanks to the Slim model. We get a couple of new PS3 owners on B3D recently too.

It doesn't really matter. The important thing is you enjoy the console (and titles) you bought.

 

[Zassk]

That would make no sense at all..if they're going to do a "massive push" with Natal then they are going to stick with it on 360 for at least two years. If they are launching a new console in 2011, then they would have just waited and launched Natal with it.

Well, perhaps I should have stated my thoughts more clearly: I think Natal will be shipped with both the 360 and the next MS console. If Natal is a success next holiday, then MS will waste no time in preparing a followup console launch to ride the coattails of that success (and beat Sony/Ninty to release again). The 360 will live on as the "budget" Natal console for a few more years.

 

[BoardBonobo]

Why should we compare handhelds with consoles to begin with? This isnt even an apples to oranges comparison. It's like comparing potato chips with a stake

Yeah, I mean who'd kill a vampire with chips?...

 

[Rangers]

Wal Mart seems to be stressing everything but the PS3 so far, with gift cards. So far theyve done or have slated in the near future: $100 GC with Arcade, $50 GC with Wii (Dec 5-12), and $50 GC with Elite to come. But so far have not seen a PS3 GC deal from Wal Mart.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Maybe because it's selling well enough already? Just guessing!