So.. What will Nvidia Bring to Counter the R520?

[Hellbinder]

We all pretty mcuh know within certain parameters what the R520 is going to Bring.

16-24 Pipelines
500-600mhz
250-512mb ram
Some Cool AA
Sm 3.0+ (some increase over sm3 but basically sm3)

What will Nvidia counter with technology wize? They always play the leader when it comes to the technology front or at least the technology that you can Claim through PR to be leading.

What is there on the table for Nvidia to One up Ati and keep their Technology lead? speciafically in the areas of Shaders, AA or the like. Or heck.. any tech area. Not really talking about # of pipelines etc.

 

[Geo]

And the timing and everything is up to them to disclose, although we will have some products a little bit later this year, so this is not that far in the future on the development side.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/ces2005.html

Would he say "we will have some products" if he wasn't talking about NV's next GPU, rather than the one that Sony will be building under license? I wouldn't think so. So whatever is, I think the 2006 speculation for their next architecture is off base. I think what he's trying to convey there is that while it is up to Sony to disclose the particulars of the chip for PS3, the world will get a pretty good preview when NV releases their new GPU "a little bit later this year".

 

[jvd]

NOthing .


Quite simply because they need nothing .

the nv40 already has all or the majority of features ati will have in the r520 and with sli they will have a faster card .


They will most likely release a 500mhz nv40 . That is my prediticton

 

[hovz]

256*

 

[digitalwanderer]

Quadradual SLI.....

 

[BigDuke]

I think what the NV40 is lacking now is simply raw clock speed, particularly in its shortcomings vs. the R420/480s. Its a pretty good architecture IMO. I'm thinking a tweaked NV40 with 16 pipes 8VS units, more efficient bandwidth saving features, and 500-600MHz will be enough to stay within sight of ATI's R520. Id be willing to bet they could even pull 500MHz off on .11u at TSMC. The 6600GTs are achieving excellent yields at 500MHz on .11u albeit with considerablly less transistors than the NV40.

I bet R520 is still a 16 pipe part, just with some nice refined additions to R420 and much higher clock speeds, and hopefully good yields that way its availability is better than this generation of cards.

I think more than 16 pipes currently is a waste considering available memory speeds as well as still being 256bit bus for the forseeable future.

I think what this will boil down to is a 16Pipe NV47 500-550MHz vs. 16 pipe R520 >600MHz. I think this high end is ATI's to loose, but what the heck do I know..... :?

 

[ninelven]

I don't think we'll see much of anything new from nvidia until nv5x.

 

[BigDuke]

I don't think we'll see much of anything new from nvidia until nv5x.

right, probably just an extra 100MHz or so out of the NV40 and 512MB of 1.3-1.4GHz GDDR3

 

[ninelven]

erased

 

[BigDuke]

Well, I don't expect them to go the clockspeed route on the core, but that's just a guess really.

well they'll have to increase pipes then if they have no plans to increase core clocks. As it is now, the NV40 ultra simply can't match the sheer fillrate of the much faster clocked R420s and 480s.

 

[tEd]

tweaked nv40 design,higher clocked,more pipleines have kinda chip with 3dc support and then some

 

[digitalwanderer]

Could they come out with a single AGP card with dual 6800 ultras on it?

THAT would be interesting.

 

[tEd]

Could they come out with a single AGP card with dual 6800 ultras on it?

THAT would be interesting.

and very pricey

 

[AlphaWolf]

Could they come out with a single AGP card with dual 6800 ultras on it?

THAT would be interesting.

how many molex connectors can you fit on one card?

 

[digitalwanderer]

Meh, sell it with its own power supply that you plug into the back of it. Geeks like weird stuff like that.

I just didn't know if the could put two chips in SLI on an AGP card and was kind of curious. :|

 

[ANova]

I'll go with the majority here and say we can probably expect a clock ramped NV40. There really isn't much more they can add feature wise; at least not until 2006.

 

[BigDuke]

Does the NV40 support any kind of Flow Control that the R520 is supposed to be sporting?

 

[Fodder]

The new NV48 is rumoured to be a 90nm NV40, right?

Edit: Or was that NV46? Whatever.

 

[_xxx_]

To answer the topic: a new chip!

 

[Druga Runda]

90nm NV40 makes most sense... just up the clock speed, make the chip size smaller, more like a GF4 out of GF3... I think it will be something like that...