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Oompa Loompa said:
Now you know why I chose to ignore it.
SimHQ - Bubba does the ATI 9700 Pro.......
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Now you know why I chose to ignore it.
Derek Smart [3000AD]
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Hellbinder[CE said:
Yeah, the last time I looked, the 40.41 drivers weren't officially released (the 30.82 are) and aren't even WHQL certified. But do carry on though.
Derek Smart [3000AD]
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duncan36 said:
Oh, thats your justification for that particular bit of nonsense? Good going.
Let me tell you something, its not just ME bitching about it. Do you think ALL the other developers (e.g. BF1942, Morrorwind, Mafia, The Thing, GTA3 etc etc etc) aren't pissed? I'm just the only vocal one. So, sue me for voicing MY OPINIONS.
Fuck, I even have gamers from all over the fucking place, sending ME emails about this shit - even though they are NOT running my games. Here are two examples I've had in as many days. I have 22 so far of such emails. I reply to each of them with suggestions - even though these folks are NOT PLAYING MY DAME GAME. So, yes, I do care about the general gaming populace and this is NOT about MY game only.
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duncan36 said:
Way to rise above it all Derek, lol.
Thats right, I'm dodging all your silly sniping
antlers4 said:
- They never released them to us devs beforehand. The first time I heard about them, was over at Rage3D. When I checked the secure dev site, they were there and date 08-29-02. The 08-20-02 776 ones are also on there.
- They're still crap - and break more than they fix it seems
- Still holding out for The One
Edge said:
Nice try
- The drivers that shipped with your board are the 775 set
- There's NOTHING excellent about the 775 drivers. AT ALL
- Please list this dozen games please and I'll pull them off my shelf right now (I have about 4000+ games in my library - so, think before you piss up this tree) and tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with them.
I'll be waiting, dear.
Well sorry the whole thing has gotten you so agitated. I will say however that most of us, especially in the high tech field jump through hoops and have many frustrations and much of our work can be called tedious, but we don't blow our top and we don't take it out on other people.
John Reynolds said:Hmm, this is perplexing. I missed the other huge Derek thread because I was gone on vacation, so do I let this one continue so I get to see what I missed or do I shutdown all the chest thumping before this gets out of hand?
Please shut this down. If Derek had anything worthwhile to say, then we would have read it by now. The Ti4600 is approximately 98% more stable than the 9700? Now we're invited to look at selected messages in Derek's in-box? This casual reader says, "No more, please." I think we all got the point the first time....
Derek Smart [3000AD]
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Yes, thats what we need to do, shut down threads that some people don't like or agree with.
Whats killing the thread are posts from YOU TWO calling for the thread to be shut down. If you can't JOIN in the topic, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU READING OR POSTING TO IT?!?!?!
I mean, what the hell is the matter with you people?
Heathen said:
Yes, thats what we need to do, shut down threads that some people don't like or agree with.
Whats killing the thread are posts from YOU TWO calling for the thread to be shut down. If you can't JOIN in the topic, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU READING OR POSTING TO IT?!?!?!
I mean, what the hell is the matter with you people?
Hmmm....guess the smartest man in the world doesn't "know" that = sarcasm......
I guess we will have to put up with this thread crapping every time ATI is mentioned, unless those in charge realize that, even though the thread crapper is a developer, it's still thread crapping.......
Makes me long for Alexsok...........ACK! What am I saying!!!.....
(just kidding Alex.....I wouldn't dare put you in Mr. Smart's league.....I would never insult you like that.... )
= sarcasm......I guess we will have to put up with this thread crapping every time ATI is mentioned, unless those in charge realize that, even though the thread crapper is a developer, it's still thread crapping.......
Makes me long for Alexsok...........ACK! What am I saying!!!.....
(just kidding Alex.....I wouldn't dare put you in Mr. Smart's league.....I would never insult you like that....
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I feel a certain giddy warmth that my posts are routinely ignored. I've yet to decide if that's a good or a bad thing.
Derek... what is the matter is the tone of the posts. Perhaps some people thought after twenty pages of pointing that out you would have understood. I was never under any such delusion, so carry on.
Derek... what is the matter is the tone of the posts. Perhaps some people thought after twenty pages of pointing that out you would have understood. I was never under any such delusion, so carry on.
Well, for starters I am a college student who realizes that he isn't anywhere near the level of expertise or experience in this field. Therefore, I am not going to add clutter to this board by posting on topics when I could just sit back and try to learn. I have been a casual reader here for four years, and have found it to be an excellent place to find high-tech commentary without a large amount of attitude. An administrator asked a question whether this thread should be shut down or allowed to continue. As a silent member of this community (or a voyeur, if you will), I thought that I could voice my dissent about these type of responses to otherwise interesting topics.
Derek, feel free to hi-jack every single thread in order to complain about ATI drivers. In fact, why don’t you start doing something constructive like creating an Anti-ATI Driver website, or maybe you could rent some billboards or commercial air-time during the Super Bowl in order to tell the world about how bad these drivers are. I don’t think that you’re doing enough here. You need to spread yourself out… Don’t devote all of your forum time to this place. Write a script that will automatically register your name at websites across the world, and post about these horrible ATI drivers. Hire an e-mail spam company to flood everybody’s in-box with your message. Quit your day-job and do something more important like placing anti-ATI driver flyers on apartment doors. You have so much potential, and it just seems like you are wasting it here…
Derek, feel free to hi-jack every single thread in order to complain about ATI drivers. In fact, why don’t you start doing something constructive like creating an Anti-ATI Driver website, or maybe you could rent some billboards or commercial air-time during the Super Bowl in order to tell the world about how bad these drivers are. I don’t think that you’re doing enough here. You need to spread yourself out… Don’t devote all of your forum time to this place. Write a script that will automatically register your name at websites across the world, and post about these horrible ATI drivers. Hire an e-mail spam company to flood everybody’s in-box with your message. Quit your day-job and do something more important like placing anti-ATI driver flyers on apartment doors. You have so much potential, and it just seems like you are wasting it here…
Problem with this thread isn't (gosh darn it!) Derek Smart. The problem is all the people who;
A: Aren't devs themselves,
B: Probably don't know how to program at all,
C: Most likely are fanATIcs who simply dislike any kind of R300 criticism,
...who are busying themselves trying to goad and stir up Derek (whose qualifications FAR outweigh their own by the way) by counter-claiming his claims that the drivers have bugs.
Their "evidence" is that certain popular titles run fine on their, and indeed, most people's systems. Well, nobody's arguing against that. Not even Derek.
If people could stop trolling for like one minute and actually read Dereks posts where he explains the bugs and that ATI themselves have repeated and confirmed them etc, they'd see this themselves. But noo, as soon as they see the words "Derek Smart", they see it as a green light to harass, and then blame it all on the harassed.
Yes, I call it harassment. Do you guys dislike Derek because he's outspoken, or maybe it's because he's BLACK?
Go get a life guys. If you don't like him, take a hint from the man himself and DON'T READ HIS POSTS. Alright?
Thank you.
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A: Aren't devs themselves,
B: Probably don't know how to program at all,
C: Most likely are fanATIcs who simply dislike any kind of R300 criticism,
...who are busying themselves trying to goad and stir up Derek (whose qualifications FAR outweigh their own by the way) by counter-claiming his claims that the drivers have bugs.
Their "evidence" is that certain popular titles run fine on their, and indeed, most people's systems. Well, nobody's arguing against that. Not even Derek.
If people could stop trolling for like one minute and actually read Dereks posts where he explains the bugs and that ATI themselves have repeated and confirmed them etc, they'd see this themselves. But noo, as soon as they see the words "Derek Smart", they see it as a green light to harass, and then blame it all on the harassed.
Yes, I call it harassment. Do you guys dislike Derek because he's outspoken, or maybe it's because he's BLACK?
Go get a life guys. If you don't like him, take a hint from the man himself and DON'T READ HIS POSTS. Alright?
Thank you.
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I for one vote to keep this thread up for the time being.
I do question a few things though. Why argue with fanboys about the 'extent of driver quality?' They'll do everything in the world to cherrypick examples, go off on anecdotal rants, and pull random numbers (95%) out of the air just to prove the point that 'Radeon Drivers have *some* bugs, but not that many' . I mean, how can one even argue with that line or reasoning, its completely vague and imprecise?
Since I don't think anyone has the time, or patience to do a full indepth scientific polling (including defining 'success' or 'failure' to comply) of a driver, the argument will forever remain a pissing match. A driver compliance standard that is more rigorous than even MS WHQL process, would be required to settle it.
IMO people should stick to finding bugs with the drivers, and providing explicit examples of the bug in action (perhaps even arguing about its generality). That is a technical argument, that people on this board can appreciate, understand and refute (or verify).
I do question a few things though. Why argue with fanboys about the 'extent of driver quality?' They'll do everything in the world to cherrypick examples, go off on anecdotal rants, and pull random numbers (95%) out of the air just to prove the point that 'Radeon Drivers have *some* bugs, but not that many' . I mean, how can one even argue with that line or reasoning, its completely vague and imprecise?
Since I don't think anyone has the time, or patience to do a full indepth scientific polling (including defining 'success' or 'failure' to comply) of a driver, the argument will forever remain a pissing match. A driver compliance standard that is more rigorous than even MS WHQL process, would be required to settle it.
IMO people should stick to finding bugs with the drivers, and providing explicit examples of the bug in action (perhaps even arguing about its generality). That is a technical argument, that people on this board can appreciate, understand and refute (or verify).
Derek's black?.......jeez......couldn't tell that....ON THE COMPUTER!!!!! And I don't care if he's green. I posted the review NOT so Derek can hijack the thread, as he had done with every thread concerning ATI since he joined. I posted it because many here are into simulations, and many here are interested in the subjective "view" of graphics quality. Bubba's reviews are different than the norm in that he does try to talk about how the card looks, not just how fast it is in Quake & 3DMark.
If he says he had no problems with the driver, I believe him. Of course, I also haven't had any problems with my 9700......or my TI4600, for that matter.
Nothing Bubba wrote gives anyone the right to call him a LIAR.
It no longer matters what Derek Smart thinks or knows. He is abusive, crass & nothing but a bully. If he were to treat a child or a woman the way he treats those that disagree with him, he could be arrested for abuse.
Those in charge need to take a real hard look at just what's going on here. This kind of abuse can no longer be anything but hurtful to Beyond3D's image. No one deserves to be treated as badly as Derek Smart treats anyone that may differ in their thoughs, even IF they do not disagree with him.
If he says he had no problems with the driver, I believe him. Of course, I also haven't had any problems with my 9700......or my TI4600, for that matter.
Nothing Bubba wrote gives anyone the right to call him a LIAR.
It no longer matters what Derek Smart thinks or knows. He is abusive, crass & nothing but a bully. If he were to treat a child or a woman the way he treats those that disagree with him, he could be arrested for abuse.
Those in charge need to take a real hard look at just what's going on here. This kind of abuse can no longer be anything but hurtful to Beyond3D's image. No one deserves to be treated as badly as Derek Smart treats anyone that may differ in their thoughs, even IF they do not disagree with him.
In this instance I do not think thats the case - Derek took exception to Bubba writing that in his opinion the drivers are a good release set - stating that this was 'b*llocks'. However, I don't see that Derek's issues apply to the conclusion. If a reviewer does not find any issues with drivers are they supposed to go around looking for issues? Or are they supposed to put caveats on reviews?
In this instance where Bubba's site is looking at a specific realm of games why would he report that the driver has issues with games that he's not concerned about?
As far as end users are concerned this is probably one of the better sets of release drivers (not perfect, but certianly a lot better than we've seen before) - is Derek going to shout down everybody who is not of the opinion that they have crap drivers citing his well documented issues each time regardless of whether or not they apply to or effect that user?
We have a 20 page thread on Derek's issues, I don't think we need reminding from every single timne someone makes a driver comment (unless they may have some bearing on Derek's issues, which in this case they clearly don't).
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DaveBaumann said:
RUBBISH!
(a) Thats not what I said
(b) Thats not what he said
(c) Here is what I said and what he said from my VERY FIRST POST in this thread.
It is a well written review, though I take exception to the particular bit of rubbish.
That, right there, pure and utter bollocks - unless I misunderstood the real meaning of that paragraph.
For one thing, the 775 drivers that ship with the card are as buggy as hell. A common trait for ALL ATI drivers that ship with boards. So, I have no clue wtf he's talking about.
Again, will you folks PLEASE STOP misquoting me. OK?
Again, you're pissing into the wind. I NEVER raise such a flag. You might want to read my posts again. Here, I'll summarize it again for the reading and comprehension impaired.
1. The review was FINE and WELL WRITTEN. This is consistent with Bubba's writing and I didn't expect any less from him. At all.
2. I took exception to the particular part that I quoted and responded to above. NOWHERE did I call someone a liar. Ever.
3. In subsequent posts, I CLEARLY pointed out that the suite of games he tested on, may/may not exhibit driver problems - but if you folks actually READ that damn review, you will see that it was - RIGHTFULLY - about the frigging card and NOT about the drivers.
I can tell you RIGHT now, that I can point out a plethora of driver BUGS in EVERY SINGLE GAME he used in that review (using the 775 drivers he used). But again, the review was NOT about drivers - it was about the card, its features and how fast it is.
The review was fine up to the point (and after) that I raised.
I dunno who you're asking, because I know for a fact that it ain't me. Either that or you didn't read my posts.
That calls for speculation. Lets not go there
No. But it seems like the general fanATIcs sure as hell are willing to start arguing even before I finish damn well typing.
Indeed. In fact, nowhere in this thread did I even say anything about my game. I was talking about a single paragraph in a review of this card. Here we are - with the pre-requisite abuse, harrassment and sniping.
Then when I ignore posts from people who don't seem to have enough common sense to boil an egg, they wonder why. Its like ...oh look at me! look at me! respond to me please!!
Yes fool, post something worthy of my attention, and I'll reply to it. Until then, STFU and quit drawing attention to yourself.
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