We could pretend PCs, perhaps with WinXP Media Edition, become really common in the future, then HD content could be played back that way...
Rumour: Blu-Ray official for PS3
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If it happens, it will spur motion in standalone players. Keep in mind that at the moment, no BD-ROM players are read-only either, and there won't be a market for it until conventional media follows suit. PS3 could use it for its games just fine, PC's and DVR's can use it for storage--just needing the blank media, but there is no market for a stand-alone BD-ROM player until there's enough content people would want to PLAY on one. Hence there's certainly no market for it now, and the future will be a "we'll see where it goes" situation.max-pain said:
Standalone BD-ROM recordable devices will exist, and will be high-priced, because of that recording functionality. How else can we buy decent DVD players for $50 and yet be willing to buy DVD recorders for $500? That, too, will change in time, but it won't be forced to dump its prices if the PS3 brings BD-ROM to the masses.
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You have quite the imagination. Last I checked Sony Pictures alone was a large player in Hollywood, are other content houses going to segment the market knowing Sony's content will be played on hardware being supported by Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson - with Dell and & HP on the PC? I think not.
Why would you support HD-DVD? It has next to nothing in it's favor anymore. Early arguments you made of AOD/HD-DVD using the PC as a launching pad... dead with Dell and HP onboard with Blu-Ray; Argument's about caddy... dead; Argument about costs... dead, stated minimal differential (~10% IIRC) in initial production. And it's a blatently inferior hardware standard.
PS3, if it has BD-ROM capabilities, will be a huge catalyst for adoption. PS2 alone provides 70M DVD recorders to the marketplace.
Deadmeat said:
You have quite the imagination. Last I checked Sony Pictures alone was a large player in Hollywood, are other content houses going to segment the market knowing Sony's content will be played on hardware being supported by Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson - with Dell and & HP on the PC? I think not.
Why would you support HD-DVD? It has next to nothing in it's favor anymore. Early arguments you made of AOD/HD-DVD using the PC as a launching pad... dead with Dell and HP onboard with Blu-Ray; Argument's about caddy... dead; Argument about costs... dead, stated minimal differential (~10% IIRC) in initial production. And it's a blatently inferior hardware standard.
PS3, if it has BD-ROM capabilities, will be a huge catalyst for adoption. PS2 alone provides 70M DVD recorders to the marketplace.
I can't ignore something I haven't read yet. 
j/k, jvd
I just read the first page and I'll quote a few people.
Japanese porn rules
Perhaps, but I don't think it'll happen. I hope not, anyway.
Wow. So, you're ignoring various press releases about Cell being put in other stuff like TVs?
j/k, jvdI just read the first page and I'll quote a few people.
Japanese porn rules
Perhaps, but I don't think it'll happen. I hope not, anyway.
Wow. So, you're ignoring various press releases about Cell being put in other stuff like TVs?
jvd said:
Um, That specific article was refering to the second generation of Blu-Ray based CE players (not PS3), and even stated the current [first generation], "the BDZ-S77, which was released last year" that launched in Japan last year for like $3,000. This has been talked about in a few threads here.
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The DVD forum does not respresent every movie publisher. I would be happy to highlight the import part from EEtimesDeadmeat said:
MiniDisc didn't actually compete with CD.
MD was competing with DCC (if I remember correct), where is DCC now? MD is still there, even if it is not going as strong as flash memory based MP3 players.
MD was competing with DCC (if I remember correct), where is DCC now? MD is still there, even if it is not going as strong as flash memory based MP3 players.
Your comment that what? 1st gen could have DVD, and 2nd could have BD-ROM? Sure it could. 1st gen could also have BD-ROM. NO gen could have BD-ROM. Hell, there's speculation out there that the PS3 would come fully armed with a burner.jvd said:
There's nothing to respond to--we don't know yet, and all we have are rumors or expectations... In short, the same as usual. I'd proceed all my comments with in "if" no matter what's being said out there by current parties. Most comments being made, however, were speculation around the assumption that it would. If it doesn't show up for a few years...? Then it gets slowed down that much. It would be the same as things are now--with no machine pushing it. Nothing much to say in that case either.
On Hollywood itself, nothing is set in stone. The studios aren't rushing off to adopt one thing or another, and any circumstance can change. Media gets cheaper or easier to produce, hardware costs are reduced lining manufacturers up one way over another... Most certainly the PC industry will weigh in as well, since their tech ends up on the disks, and what they'd WANT in a ROM drive in a PC may not be the same thing...
As always, the market will drive itself and stretch out the kinks. Nothing is "obvious" about anything right now, however.
Actually, I think MD player sales were still stronger in 2003 overall. It's hard to pull overall flash player stats, but you can get tidbits. China sold ~1.8 million units total, and they probably occupy a sizable chunk of the production... but how much? <shrug> If one accepts Apple's numbers, you can extrapolate and figure out flash/HD MP3 players were still under... but of course rising at an amazing rate, rather than staying about even on MD's side at the moment.
(Sales got brought up a lot back in this thread, which is the only reason I really remember stuff like this.
)MD will certainly BE overcome, and I don't believe Hi-MD will spur lots of excitement that way, but people still seem to like the players a good deal.
...not in comparison to CD's of course, but like you said, that wasn't the point.
(And if anyone else can find better numbers for the flash MP3 player market right now, it would be much appreciated.)
You could also buy pre-recorded tapes as well... MD was designed as a successor to audio tapes none-the-less. MD's inability to meet the success it had/has in Japan in North America has largely been the existing preconditions that made it popular in Japan (e.g. pervasive CD rental shops, high CD prices).
By Nikkei:
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/sangyo/20040417AT1D1604216042004.html
Sony has established the mass-production techology of the read-only blu-ray disc. Production of the media is timed at 1 disc per 5 seconds, compared to 1 disc per 3/4 seconds for DVDs. It is hoped that adoption of the media can be boosted if production costs can be brought to a similar level as DVDs.
It is reported that US Sony Pictures Entertainment have plans to release BR media versions of 80%-90% of their movies in the coming year.
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/sangyo/20040417AT1D1604216042004.html
Sony has established the mass-production techology of the read-only blu-ray disc. Production of the media is timed at 1 disc per 5 seconds, compared to 1 disc per 3/4 seconds for DVDs. It is hoped that adoption of the media can be boosted if production costs can be brought to a similar level as DVDs.
It is reported that US Sony Pictures Entertainment have plans to release BR media versions of 80%-90% of their movies in the coming year.
Actually it is quitty possible that, SONY will launch PS3 with BD-ROM:
1)they will have a format to fight against piracy (joke) or at the very least they will sell tens of thousands of BD recorders *(to pirates and MOD community) in a very sort period of time (otherwise it would take a lot of time to sell such an ammount)
2)The actuall cost of manufacturing and licencing fees is not that different as you may think in relation with conventional DVD-ROM/DVD media (in the longer term with the right business model)
3)First SONY will commit suicide before let Microsoft take advatage in HD-DVD market with MS WMV9 (SONY BD-ROM will not be compatible with MS WMV9 codec)
4)SONY picture Group is going to release 80-90% of movie content on BD-ROM format and I bet that right now SONY is negotiating a deal with other movie content makers.
5)It is quite strange for SONY image and tactic, to launch PS3 with a 16X DVD-ROM (I don't see a other option then) when before 6 years (in relation with PS3 launch) they launched PS2 with a 4X DVD-ROM
6)Actually SONY since the early nineties proved that the whole SONY GROUP has a very focus and unified strategy.
7)Always Ken kutaragi moto was that "SONY's goal was to make people happy" and I don't think 16X DVD-ROM brings any happiness (ofcource I don't think also that "SONY's goal was to make people happy")
1)they will have a format to fight against piracy (joke) or at the very least they will sell tens of thousands of BD recorders *(to pirates and MOD community) in a very sort period of time (otherwise it would take a lot of time to sell such an ammount)
2)The actuall cost of manufacturing and licencing fees is not that different as you may think in relation with conventional DVD-ROM/DVD media (in the longer term with the right business model)
3)First SONY will commit suicide before let Microsoft take advatage in HD-DVD market with MS WMV9 (SONY BD-ROM will not be compatible with MS WMV9 codec)
4)SONY picture Group is going to release 80-90% of movie content on BD-ROM format and I bet that right now SONY is negotiating a deal with other movie content makers.
5)It is quite strange for SONY image and tactic, to launch PS3 with a 16X DVD-ROM (I don't see a other option then) when before 6 years (in relation with PS3 launch) they launched PS2 with a 4X DVD-ROM
6)Actually SONY since the early nineties proved that the whole SONY GROUP has a very focus and unified strategy.
7)Always Ken kutaragi moto was that "SONY's goal was to make people happy" and I don't think 16X DVD-ROM brings any happiness (ofcource I don't think also that "SONY's goal was to make people happy")
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