jandlecack
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Yup. I'd say they want the PS3 to establish itself in its current form and shape before they start re-designing things.
RSX evolution
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user542745831
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Nobody did confirm or deny that, yet, isn't it like that? Or has there been someone who opened one of the new sku to see what is going on?
Who knows. But it would be very nice though.
That may be likely, but the topic is about the rsx, and so far nobody even had a look at the inside of the new ps3 sku and posted something about that, isn't that correct?
The disappointment will be even more pronounced if this is the 65 nm GPU!
Why the disappointment? If these figures are correct and the power decrease is mainly because of the GPU, I´d say it´s a quite successful shrink.
oramay said:
Because it means a cooler, smaller box isn't happening for a long time and power consumption is going to remain high across future shrinks too because the shrinks just aren't freeing up much power. Looks like at 45nm CPU+GPU we'd still be ~100 watts. That's a lot of juice for most functions.
You may be right, but the shrink to 45 nm was focusing on bringing the power consumption of Cell down (about 40% if I remember correctly) so it may make quite a big difference. There are also memory circuits that may get more power efficient as well beside the 45 nm GPU and if they place the PSU outside the box like the 360 you can save a few Watts more.
Not saying they will do that, but there are quite a few parameters that can be tweaked if they want to the PS3 go slim fast for some reason, like Japanese market requirements or such.
The Seventh Taylor
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Now wouldn't it be odd if the Cell were shrunk from 65 to 45nm before the RSX is even shrunk from 90 to 65nm?
Sure there has been but that's pure speculation. In previous cycles, such drastic PlayStation redesigns only took place after 4 years or so. PSone even came only when PS2 was ready.
Sure there has been but that's pure speculation. In previous cycles, such drastic PlayStation redesigns only took place after 4 years or so. PSone even came only when PS2 was ready.
Yeah, that would be pretty odd. The 65 nm RSX went into mass production last December and should already have trickled out into console production and possibly even retail. I haven´t seen that anyone actually peeled off the heat sink to check the latest model with reduced power draw so from my POW the 65 nm RSX may already be out in retail.
I haven´t seen any information that the 45 nm Cell has gone into mass production yet, someone may fill me in on the matter.
jandlecack
Banned
No thanks. Worst idea ever.
Depends, That's what xbox360 and ps2 slim are using. Don't here too much complaining there?
Color me Dan
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The latest PS2 shrink reincorporated the power brick inside the slim casing. In-out-in, I guess they changed their minds hehe. But yea, power brick should stay inside according to me too. On with the die size stuff.
http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html
The above page has been updated to include many new PS3 models, including unreleased ones. It says that models from CECHI to CECHP all have 65nm RSX. I don't know how accurate it is though.
The above page has been updated to include many new PS3 models, including unreleased ones. It says that models from CECHI to CECHP all have 65nm RSX. I don't know how accurate it is though.
Its not accurate.
How can the 65nm CellBE/ 90nm RSX PS3s consume the same ammount as the 65nm CellBE/ 65nm RSX?
Specially when you factor that the PS2 chips wich consumed around 25 Watts were removed and seem to be completely removed from these newer models unless confirmed otherwise.
jandlecack
Banned
How? The 65nm RSX being a piece of crap would be the easiest assumption 
Or an increase to the originally aspired clock frequency that is possible due to 65nm die size...one can hope.
Or an increase to the originally aspired clock frequency that is possible due to 65nm die size...one can hope.Whatever happened to those heady early days soon after release when web sites across the world were never happier than when they were ripping their consoles to pieces to take a look at the circuit boards and cooling layout?
C'mon somebody, show some balls and rip open these new console steppings to see if, indeed they contain different chips. No need to worry if they still work afterwards or not.
C'mon somebody, show some balls and rip open these new console steppings to see if, indeed they contain different chips. No need to worry if they still work afterwards or not.
user542745831
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Really wondered about that, too
. It's especially strange in this case, as there were or are much rumours about a new 65nm nvidia rsx and not only another hdd with more space. So there should be enough motivation for those people, shouldn't it ? Looking forward to such a review of the latest ps3 sku. Or at least a clarification of why there is this slightly less power consumption.How? The 65nm RSX being a piece of crap would be the easiest assumption
Being a piece of crap how? and why would the clock frequency need to be raised?
I have the old E3 05 press conference where it states the 550Mhz speed however according to the website linked in previous posts it says that clock speed is 500Mhz with the pixel shaders clocked at 550Mhz so it seems to hardly make any difference specially since the chip is already customized for its job as a console GPU that is not supposed to overheat and destroy the motherboard or consume too many watts.
Whatever happened to those heady early days soon after release when web sites across the world were never happier than when they were ripping their consoles to pieces to take a look at the circuit boards and cooling layout?
C'mon somebody, show some balls and rip open these new console steppings to see if, indeed they contain different chips. No need to worry if they still work afterwards or not.
Initially it was a Japanese tv tech program/website that did this and eventually posted a video on the internet.
The last time anyone posted a picture of the PS3 mainboard was when Sony released the White PS3 so its only a matter of time for when these console are released.
Other than that, would you like to volunteer to buy a new PS3 with your own money and open it up to measure die sizes, board layout, etc?
Really wondered about that, too
Keep in mind that although its an Nvidia RSX GPU, it is being fabbed at Sony's chip fabs in Japan and other sites SCE contracted.
Basically their output and goals are different than TSMC or USMC or CharteredSM but they can make stepping revisions much more efficiently as to favor yields.
