Recent footage of Oudai and Qusai

RussSchultz

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Anybody seen it?

I think they (the US administration) did another misstep by heavily reconstructing their faces and putting mortuary makeup on them.

They're less recognizable to me now than they were when all shot up and bloody.

I'd be suprised if this changed any minds, and didn't simply fuel the conspiracy fires.
 
Hard to recognize them at first with the beards... but diff angle shots were easier to read. Oddly enough the more 'damaged uday' was easier to recognize...
 
RussSchultz said:
I'd be suprised if this changed any minds, and didn't simply fuel the conspiracy fires.
For those who have conspiracy theories, either sets of photos would probably fan those fires.
 
They definitely shouldn't have fixed them up. Should have just left them untouched. Now Uday looks like a melting wax museum statue, very unlike his alive pics. Iraqis will probably see those pics and just roll their eyes...
 
it was a no win situation. one way or another you get burned. Best to keep the bodies, so that doctors can do dna test with the many live hussein relatives to make a comparison.

later,
 
Uday was pretty unrecognizable, and the whole thing was a grim affair. That said, it was a moot effort, as Saddam's latest purported audio tape confirms their deaths, and in a way more effective than any American efforts could have.
 
Frankly I would have rather avoided seeing those videos on the nightly news. We complain so much when other countries show the dead bodies of our soldiers. You would think that we would at least follow our own complaints and not show dead bodies on TV either, especially ones as grotesquely mutilated as those from the bullet wounds.

Damn "The News with Brian Williams" didn't even give me a chance to turn the channel. They just showed the video. No warning. Uggh.
 
Well showing Uday and Qusay doesnt rank in the same class as showing iraqi or us soldiers on tv. Iraqis were terrified of them and many dont believe it still. Saying that both sides let the media shows prisoners and bear the burden of breaking that rule during the war.

Were I a prisoner tho Id LOVE to be shown on tv. It simply would help to guarantee my survival that much more in most contexts.
 
pax said:
Well showing Uday and Qusay doesnt rank in the same class as showing iraqi or us soldiers on tv. Iraqis were terrified of them and many dont believe it still. Saying that both sides let the media shows prisoners and bear the burden of breaking that rule during the war.

Were I a prisoner tho Id LOVE to be shown on tv. It simply would help to guarantee my survival that much more in most contexts.

Point being I'd rather not see any grotesquely mutilated bodies on TV, in grim detail, only covered by a sheet, and barely at that. I mean for goodness sake one of the feet was bent completely in the wrong way. Just gross. I'd have rather been warned. heh.
 
1) Heaven forbid that a war museum document a war.
2) Well, turn around is fair play. Well, actually, its a little childish, but it is done as a bit of a propaganda effort. Its yet another demonstration that Saddam is out of power and humiliated. Something, apparently, that the iraqi people need an abundance of assurance on.
 
Willmeister said:
Putting faces of people on playing cards, then a terrorist casino, and other bad media disasters. Now this.

No, see the problem is that the world is filled with stupid people who interpret these things as you do. "Terrorist Casino"? I digress.
 
And Americans like Vince refuse to see leaders acting hypocritically, opening themselves up for valid criticism.

Creative vocabulary got them out of the Geneva Conventions, yet demanded others abide by the letter of the law. This creativity also allows the USA to short-circuit Constitutial protections and rule of law, but then complain about rogue regimes trying people in kangaroo military courts.

Creative vocabulary on the part of the American administration tells the world it's totally okay for the USA to develop and deploy nuclear weaponry, yet hold other nations accountable to strict IAEA regimens.

Creative vocabulary on the part of the American administration to demand nations open their markets and give American providers unfettered access to foreign markets, yet throw up punitive tariffs whenever they see fit.

What kind of message does the administration think it's telling the rest of the world? It's no stretch of the imagination to realize that others will start to believe, "well, if the USA can do it, so can we."

Bush really shows that America doesn't practice what it preaches. Think it's fair to Americans? I *was* going to say that Americans deserved it because they voted for him but quickly remembered Bush wasn't actually elected by the majority of Americans. Americans actually voted for Gore, but who's counting right? Certainly not Florida election officials... :)
 
Same old nonsense. That there is an equivalence to the US, UK, France, and other democratic, well developed, nations who already possess nuclear technology, and a virtual anarchy, or country on the brink of collapse about to possess them.

Talk about childish reasoning. The so-called "terrorist casino" is also only childish if you are unable to reason about information markets without getting all emotional about it. A better one is the luddites labeling GMO "Frankenfood", talk about a dumb approach to evaluating the logic behind biotechnology: brushing it off by referring to fictional literature and a bug-a-boo.

It's nice that the level of intellectual capacity of America's opponents falls to the level of understanding the world in terms of gut-level emotional reactions or kindergarten ethical reasoning about nuclear weapons.
 
Tho Im not worried about health issues surrounding gm foods there are reasons to be concerned...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3116713.stm

This not only shows major corporations can royally screw up gm foods as in promising -sterile- round-up resistant canola which cant be killed by any known herbicide. Only to find out it isnt sterile anymore and is now spreading in the west as an unkillable weed...
 
conversely however, many of the people using this to argue against GM also argued against "terminator" seeds, probably the same bunch who chow down on banannas and grape products without a second thought.
 
GMO, or at least those that release pesticides and in particularly the BT ones at that, actually *promote* pest resistence. We're also seeing herbicide resistant canola actually becoming a uncontrollable menace. It might just become the kudzu of Canada. That, or we're going to have to turn to more harsher herbicides to control it. This is the biggest reason the company I used to work for refuses to buy an GMO potatoes even though over 90% of that particular facility's production was for sale in North America.

As for the 'health' benefits of beta carotene enriched rice, a person would have to eat something like 5-7 pounds of it to equal something like 1/2 cup of milk. The problem with the world's food supply isn't production, it's the waste in distribution. And these issues can be virtually eliminted with existing technology.

GMO is the latest Western-fad of 'sticking a computer in it'; another quick-fix microwaveable point-and-click drive-thru disposable solution our society is so enamoured with. Well, this laziness is going to catch up to us eventually. Look at our landfills for cripes sake... no wonder our groundwater is becoming so polluted.
 
It's nice that the level of intellectual capacity of America's opponents falls to the level of understanding the world in terms of gut-level emotional reactions or kindergarten ethical reasoning about nuclear weapons.

Excuse me for being so selfishly concerned about nuclear weaponry...

My points still stand. It's hard to criticize North Korea for pursuing nuclear deterrents when the only nation that has ever used these weapons against civilians looks very hypocritical calling the tea kettle black. "We can ignore international treaties, but you have to abide by them." It's not hard to see these nations thumbing their noses. What can you say to rebutt North Korea, Israel, Iran, Pakistan and India?
 
Willmeister said:
My points still stand. It's hard to criticize North Korea for pursuing nuclear deterrents when the only nation that has ever used these weapons against civilians looks very hypocritical calling the tea kettle black.
Now I remember why I avoid this forum--it's bad for digestion.
 
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