Radeon9500 the only mainstream DX9 card available this year?

Sabastian

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Hrm I was thinking that this will be the only DX9 mainstream card available for some time according to this article. The claim is that the NV30 will be Nvidias only offering in terms of a DX9 card. I found this conclusion surprising because up untill now I would have thought that it could be made to work at lower clock speeds. Now I am unsure of this according to this statement found at the bottom of the article. "NV30 as a performance leader will hardly help NVIDIA as it will be unable to offer the same kind of features for reasonable price on the mainstream market this year". Is this true or is it pure speculation on behalf of the writer of the article?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1033004236

"RADEON 9500 Series: The Specifications. And DirectX 9.0 For All…
Posted 9/25/02 at 9:37 pm by Anton

While NVIDIA continues to feed the industry with the graphics chips like the GeForce4 MX440 with AGP 8x and GeForce4 Ti4200 with AGP 8x (see this news-story) that can provide DirectX 8 or even DirectX 7 support , its main rival ATI Technologies plans to be fast to the market with a broad range of their DirectX 9 supporting solutions.

This Fall the Canadian graphics processor developer will launch a number of simplified versions of its RADEON 9700 chip to meet the requirements of all the market sectors. In the near future ATI will announce its RADEON 9700 graphics cards that will be clocked lower compared to the RADEON 9700 PRO. I am still not sure about the actual speeds, since some sources indicate 300/600MHz for core/memory, meanwhile other say that the clock-speeds will reach only 275/550MHz. The other features like 256-bit memory bus, AGP 8x and 128MB of DDR SDRAM onboard will remain unchanged

As we reported earlier, the RADEON 9500 will be announced in mid-October and there will be two versions of this VPU. We have hinted you the main difference between the RADEON 9500 and 9500 PRO in our issue published on Sunday (see this news-story), now this web-site revealed the whole bunch of the information for our reading pleasure.

Both RADEON 9500 and 9500 PRO are derivatives from the RADEON 9700 VPU. Both support AGP 8x, DirectX 9.0, provide four geometry engines, dual 400MHz RAMDACs, HyperZ-III, TrueForm 2.0 and so on. In order to lower the costs of their mainstream solutions, ATI decided to use 128-bit memory bus for the RADEON 9500 / 9500 PRO based graphics cards. All the RADEON 9500 powered products will be clocked at 275/550MHz for core/memory. The difference between the PRO and “non PROâ€￾ versions is the number of rendering pipelines: eight for the former and four for the latter.

Remember that the RADEON 9500 PRO based graphics cards will cost approximately $219, while the RADEON 9500 – about $179. Manufacturers are free to decide about the graphics memory size: either to install 64 or 128MB of DDR SDRAM.

Basically, the RADEON 9500 and the RADEON 9700 utilise the same graphics core that allows to shut down half of the rendering pipelines. It should be pointed out that ATI RADEON 9500 will not be packaged in the same FCBGA chip like the more powerful VPU, because it does not utilise 256-bit memory bus. The efficiency of ATI’s approach is great as it allows them to offer a broad range of solutions, powered by only one graphics core. This should allow ATI to spend less money on R&D and manufacturing.

As is known, NVIDIA will launch its NV30 later this year. The VPU is likely to beat RADEON 9700 PRO in performance, but with no doubts it will not be able to compete with lower-end models in terms of pricing. Since companies earn most of their revenues and profits selling mainstream products, NV30 as a performance leader will hardly help NVIDIA as it will be unable to offer the same kind of features for reasonable price on the mainstream market this year."
 
Xmas said:
Hm, what about NV31? Although that may be next year's product.

On that note just what the heck is it supposed to be? Low or mid range? At any rate I wouldn't expect to see a variation of the NV30 for at least a couple of months after the NV30 is shipping but who knows...
 
Sabastian said:
Xmas said:
Hm, what about NV31? Although that may be next year's product.

On that note just what the heck is it supposed to be? Low or mid range? At any rate I wouldn't expect to see a variation of the NV30 for at least a couple of months after the NV30 is shipping but who knows...
I'd expect it to be competition for R9500/PRO cards. I too don't think it will come within only a few days of NV30. But with the current market situation, NVidia will do everything to push it out as soon as possible.
 
DaveBaumann said:
And what have they previously said about what .13um chips they've been working on?

Well Dave they have said everything from it will be the equivilent of the second coming to the launch date will be this fall. I expect that you are implying that it will appear this fall around about the same time as the NV30?
 
Actually, I believe nVidia has said that NV30 is the only 0.13 chip they have plans to ship this year.

I'm pretty certain that NV31 isn't expected until next year. (Spring?)
 
Correct. NV18 and NV28 are nothing more than the same rehashed NV15 and NV25 cores with AGP3.0 using .15um
Since NV30 as stated by Nvidia is the only .13um chip they are currently working on and expect to release this year. One can only conclude that NV31 will be a next year part, maybe as early as spring.

The bit about Nvidia not designing .15um chips, we don't really know for sure though.

To answer the thread question. A simple yes fits the bill. The only dx9 mid range product available will be the Radeon 9500.
 
Apparently 0.13 micron is having problems for Nvidia, so how are they going to compete (in terms of price) with a value 0.13 chip? Basically they can't and won't be able to. More and more Nvidia's choice of going 0.13 is looking to be a huge mistake.

I'm totally interested in the R9500 Pro though. It still has 8 pipelines so it should blow the GF4 Ti4600 away, although it will be memory bandwidth limited. I assume the R9500 Pro will also have higher clocked memory than the standard R9500 in order so it can unlock some of its extra performance.
 
The latest rumors have the 9500 PRO with 8 pipes, and the 9500 non-pro with 4. Both sitting on a 128 bit bus to DDR memory.

I guess we'll find out for sure in a few weeks...
 
MuFu said:
Radeon9500 the only mainstream DX9 card available this year?

You know it'd be nice if they actually release DX9 this year. :)

MuFu.

Hrm I was thinking that very thing. Any solid "rumors" about the release of DX9? You would think that ATIs "Mojo" day would be a prelude to the launch of DX9. Hopefully that is the matter. ATi doesn't really need DX9 to hammer nvidia in DX8 but to launch a fully complient DX9 card 6 months in advance(hypothetically speaking of course.) before the release of DX9 is quite something isn't it? I think DX9 will appear this fall.(Oct?)
 
I have seen rumors claiming as late as spring 2003...but I have doubts about that one.

Nah, Spring 2003 is not likely...

I seem to recall that NV30's announcement (release date?) seems to be aligned with the annoucement of DX9, as ben6 said in one of his posts some time ago.
 
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