RenegadeRocks
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So anyone tried out the Firmware 2.0 share feature? I haven't been able to get to my ps4 yet.
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PS4 200 and Vita 335 seems improved the Remote Play.
previously i was on PS4 180 and Vita 318. The remoteplay using direct-connection is laggy-er than using my WiFi accesspoint
now both feel the same and more responsive than before (the destiny cursor now stopped almost the same time when i stopped pressing the analogue stick).
previously i was on PS4 180 and Vita 318. The remoteplay using direct-connection is laggy-er than using my WiFi accesspoint
now both feel the same and more responsive than before (the destiny cursor now stopped almost the same time when i stopped pressing the analogue stick).
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New games for next week were announced, and the PS4 is still not getting Driveclub nor it is getting anything other than low-profile indie games, again.
To me, this is a really serious misconduct from Sony.
PSPlus customers have been getting really crappy games for PS4 and the only thing people had been looking forward to was Driveclub.
It didn't come in October, it's not coming in November and there's no perspective whatsoever to compensate PSPlus customers for one less game in October.
I know their subscriptions have been achieving all time highs every month, but this means people should be getting a better service, not a worse one.
PS4's PSPlus library for 2014 is reduced to a bunch of indie games that could be bought in humble bundle for a dozen of dollars or less:
- Don't Starve
- Outlast
- Sound Shapes
- Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition
- Mercenary Kings
- Stick It to the Man!
- PixelJunk Shooter: Ultimate (cross-buy)
- Trine 2: Complete Story
- Doki-Doki Universe (cross-buy)
- Strider
- TowerFall: Ascension
- Fez (cross-buy)
- Road Not Taken
- Sportsfriends (cross-buy)
- Velocity 2X (cross-buy)
- Dust: An Elysian Tail
- Pix the Cat (cross-buy)
- Spelunky (cross-buy)
To me, this is a really serious misconduct from Sony.
PSPlus customers have been getting really crappy games for PS4 and the only thing people had been looking forward to was Driveclub.
It didn't come in October, it's not coming in November and there's no perspective whatsoever to compensate PSPlus customers for one less game in October.
I know their subscriptions have been achieving all time highs every month, but this means people should be getting a better service, not a worse one.
PS4's PSPlus library for 2014 is reduced to a bunch of indie games that could be bought in humble bundle for a dozen of dollars or less:
- Don't Starve
- Outlast
- Sound Shapes
- Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition
- Mercenary Kings
- Stick It to the Man!
- PixelJunk Shooter: Ultimate (cross-buy)
- Trine 2: Complete Story
- Doki-Doki Universe (cross-buy)
- Strider
- TowerFall: Ascension
- Fez (cross-buy)
- Road Not Taken
- Sportsfriends (cross-buy)
- Velocity 2X (cross-buy)
- Dust: An Elysian Tail
- Pix the Cat (cross-buy)
- Spelunky (cross-buy)
How much would it have cost you to buy those games individually on PSN?
Still quite a lot. It also doesn't list the discounts.
I did not expect much better (note that starting from launch, there was also Resogun) on PS4, as it's a bit much to expect games that have been out less than a year with no sequel in sight to be free on Playstation Plus. Things are likely to improve some next year.
I did not expect much better (note that starting from launch, there was also Resogun) on PS4, as it's a bit much to expect games that have been out less than a year with no sequel in sight to be free on Playstation Plus. Things are likely to improve some next year.
Essentially less than £2 each if all you're counting is:
1) paying full price (which most don't)
2) not playing online
3) you (or a trusted family member) don't have a Vita or PS3
4) you don't buy anything discounted
Seems reasonable to me (oh, and some of those are exclusive so will never be on humble bundle).
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- Don't Starve: been in promotions for around 3€
- Outlast: promotions around 4€
- Sound Shapes: exclusive, low-profile
- Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition: exclusive
- Mercenary Kings: part of a Humble Weekly Bundle
- Stick It to the Man!: part of a Humble Weekly Bundle
- PixelJunk Shooter: Ultimate (cross-buy): part of a Humble Weekly Bundle and other bundles
- Trine 2: Complete Story: part of a Humble Bundle and a Weekly Humble Bundle
- Doki-Doki Universe (cross-buy): exclusive, low-profile
- Strider: been available for ~9€
- TowerFall: Ascension: been available for 7.5€
- Fez (cross-buy): been in lots of humble bundles
meh, and so on.
My point is:
- For the PS4 Plus games, the annual 50€ would have been much better spent on PC bundles for games of the exact same category and higher production values.
And since we're talking mostly about 2D or simply-ish 3D indie games, the great majority of these could have been played in a 100€ windows stick or a 150€ windows tablet... or frankly any kind of windows PC that was built during the last 8 years. We don't need a 400€ new-generation console to play them.
And no, I'm not saying the PS4 should only be used for AAA games with great 3D graphics, I'm not saying indie games are crap and I'm not saying the PS Plus indie games for the PS4 are bad.
I'm just saying the difference of profile in PS Plus games between what we're having in the PS4 and what we've had the last 2/3 years for the PS3 is enormous.
And DriveClub was supposed to be the light at the end of the tunnel. After 9 months of not getting anything that we could brag about in our new console, we'd finally get that AAA jaw-dropping game, as it was formally announced as part of the catalog for October.
But then.. the game was never made available, the whole month went by without news except "we don't know when it's happening" and they're keeping silent after that month.
Plus, not only have we been getting cheap indie games for the PS4, but in October we even had one less cheap indie game. We went from an expectation of drastic improvement to a reality of an even more mediocre monthly bundle.
- Outlast: promotions around 4€
- Sound Shapes: exclusive, low-profile
- Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition: exclusive
- Mercenary Kings: part of a Humble Weekly Bundle
- Stick It to the Man!: part of a Humble Weekly Bundle
- PixelJunk Shooter: Ultimate (cross-buy): part of a Humble Weekly Bundle and other bundles
- Trine 2: Complete Story: part of a Humble Bundle and a Weekly Humble Bundle
- Doki-Doki Universe (cross-buy): exclusive, low-profile
- Strider: been available for ~9€
- TowerFall: Ascension: been available for 7.5€
- Fez (cross-buy): been in lots of humble bundles
meh, and so on.
My point is:
- For the PS4 Plus games, the annual 50€ would have been much better spent on PC bundles for games of the exact same category and higher production values.
And since we're talking mostly about 2D or simply-ish 3D indie games, the great majority of these could have been played in a 100€ windows stick or a 150€ windows tablet... or frankly any kind of windows PC that was built during the last 8 years. We don't need a 400€ new-generation console to play them.
And no, I'm not saying the PS4 should only be used for AAA games with great 3D graphics, I'm not saying indie games are crap and I'm not saying the PS Plus indie games for the PS4 are bad.
I'm just saying the difference of profile in PS Plus games between what we're having in the PS4 and what we've had the last 2/3 years for the PS3 is enormous.
And DriveClub was supposed to be the light at the end of the tunnel. After 9 months of not getting anything that we could brag about in our new console, we'd finally get that AAA jaw-dropping game, as it was formally announced as part of the catalog for October.
But then.. the game was never made available, the whole month went by without news except "we don't know when it's happening" and they're keeping silent after that month.
Plus, not only have we been getting cheap indie games for the PS4, but in October we even had one less cheap indie game. We went from an expectation of drastic improvement to a reality of an even more mediocre monthly bundle.
yups the PS+ offer is bad on PS4. The value is much better spend on PC.
but on PS4, sony make PS+ a mandatory so i dont have a choice to not subscribe
but on PS4, sony make PS+ a mandatory so i dont have a choice to not subscribe
PS3 had a huge catalogue of old AAA titles to give away. PS4 obviously doesn't. What could Sony give away that wouldn't have cost the Earth due to having to suppliment lost earnings?
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By now? If DriveClub was indefinitely postponed, then they should have compensated with either one of these:
- Knack
- Injustice
- Lego Marvel Super Heroes
- One of the NBAs
- Thief (given it was a commercial flop)
- Skylanders (since they could still make money selling the figures with game characters)
I think any of these would be taken rather well as an alternative, but Knack would be the most obvious choice. It's a first party game and no one is buying it AFAIK.
Instead, they just said:
"Oops, the game isn't coming after all. Looks like we screwed you up. Too bad. For you."
Ding ding, this should be obvious to anyone. If at year 4 or 5 they have not given away a launch era retail game they might have a point.
deathindustrial
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Personally, the fact that BF4 was a such mess has meant that the value of PS+ for me has not been that great. The only multiplayer I am doing is on the couch with my wife plus sending the occasional legendary to someone in Diablo III.
That said, Sony mostly seem to be targetting quality indie games and "Don't Starve" for example will be one of my favourite games this gen. I am totally fine with indie games (possibly even prefer them) as long as they are not shovel ware. I definitely would have enjoyed getting "Steamworld Dig" if I had not already bought it and "Binding Of Issac" is a PC classic that I have not yet played. Hopefully they will throw us some themes as well.
Cheers
That said, Sony mostly seem to be targetting quality indie games and "Don't Starve" for example will be one of my favourite games this gen. I am totally fine with indie games (possibly even prefer them) as long as they are not shovel ware. I definitely would have enjoyed getting "Steamworld Dig" if I had not already bought it and "Binding Of Issac" is a PC classic that I have not yet played. Hopefully they will throw us some themes as well.
Cheers
These are viable sales still for this Christmas.
I don't quite understand where this is coming from. DriveClub PSN edition was basically a cut-down version anyway. Expect it to still release as it'll be a 'trial and unlock' type game. It's just not happening now because they screwed up the online and want to get that working for the paying customers. Yes, as a PSN subscriber you are paying, but peanuts compared to those who spend the full game price so of course you're going to be lower priority. The only real problem here is Sony made a promise they found themselves unable to keep and have had to delay it.
As for entitlement, the fee is for online services, not just games (unlike PS+). Even with no games you have to pay the online fee. Don't like it? Don't pay for online until they start offering titles you want!
Edit: Yoshida confirms postponement! DriveClub is late due to technical difficulties; you'll still get it eventually.
Driveclub ps+ edition was promised to be part of IGC on ps4 launch. When it was postponed sony put something else as a replacement, Outlast iirc. Some time before release this october they said that the game will be as an addition to IGC october games. Means it will be 2 games (as usually) + driveclub. So I don't see the point about not giving something else being valid.
DuckThor Evil
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Last gen online play was free and imo the game collection was stunning on PS3, so far on PS4 it's a very different story. It seems that now when online gaming is behind a pay wall that it's used as the only incentive to get PS+ They should have at least heavy discount launch games. The general pricing in the EU store is also terrible, but that's a wider problem. I hope things get better.
From a consumer POV that may be true. However, in terms of Sony's business it's quite possible that PS+ and free online was plain too generous. Ultimately, perhaps Sony shouldn't have provided free online last gen? As such, wanting them to return back to the users greater value from the deal by improving on the PS+ returns is possibly wanting too much. There's no limit to what consumers want! Given the gaming division is making a financially struggling Sony some decent cash, giving more away is difficult to justify in business terms.
Taken at face value irrespective of competing platforms (PS+ on PS3), PS4's online still seems great value for money overall. You do get free games with that (and we can consider them free now because the fee goes towards online. Alternatively you can think of it as paid for games and free online with them
) and they are good games. This will also only improve when older titles become feasible and are included. The only reason people aren't calling this a truly fabulous service is because Sony already exceeded themselves in this area last gen!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_(PAL_region)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_(North_America)
The first year is simple, small, and old games, seems to me. Tomb Raider was a major release and was three years old by the time of its inclusion on PS+.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_(North_America)
The first year is simple, small, and old games, seems to me. Tomb Raider was a major release and was three years old by the time of its inclusion on PS+.