PS3 OS/Interface

[mckmas8808]

Imagine if you stepped in your room, your ps3 recognized who you were, and started playing music from your playlist with your pictures running in a slideshow, or turned on the last thing you were doing say if you were playing a movie before you left.

Okay you need to stop talking, because you are going to have me thinking about all of these wild possiblities that the PS3 might be able to do.:smile:

 

[patsu]

Okay you need to stop talking, because you are going to have me thinking about all of these wild possiblities that the PS3 might be able to do.:smile:

Imagine if you stepped in your room, your ps3 recognized who you were, and started playing music from your playlist with your pictures running in a slideshow, or turned on the last thing you were doing say if you were playing a movie before you left.

Ken, is that you ?

 

[DemoCoder]

It's not outside the realm of reason. But why bother with the EyeToy? You have Bluetooth built in, you can just scan for their phone, and if they are carrying it, you'll recognize them. I carried out such a bluetooth tracking demo 2 years ago.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Ken, is that you ?

Whos ken? lol

It's not outside the realm of reason. But why bother with the EyeToy? You have Bluetooth built in, you can just scan for their phone, and if they are carrying it, you'll recognize them. I carried out such a bluetooth tracking demo 2 years ago.

That could also work, but you gotta factor in not everyone has a cell phone, and then not everyone has a bluetooth cell phone. And what if the ps3 picks up your siblings cell phone in the next room?

 

[DemoCoder]

Well, not everyone will have an EyeToy either or PSP, but it seems to me that everyone doesn't have to have X in order for the OS to support Y.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Well, not everyone will have an EyeToy either or PSP, but it seems to me that everyone doesn't have to have X in order for the OS to support Y.

Point taken.

I just think the eyetoy would be more practical, like I said what if the ps3 picks up another phone in the house close by thats not yours? Unless you have a twin, I dont think the eyetoy should have many problems reading your face if it can read a barcode off a playing card.

 

[DemoCoder]

Facial recognition is harder than reading barcodes. Barcodes use a relatively simple algorithm.

The PS3 won't pick up other people's phones unless you want it to, because you can limit phone recognition to those that have been paired in the same way that I cant control my Neighbor's PC using my bluetooth keyboard.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Facial recognition is harder than reading barcodes. Barcodes use a relatively simple algorithm.

Point taken again lol.

The PS3 won't pick up other people's phones unless you want it to, because you can limit phone recognition to those that have been paired in the same way that I cant control my Neighbor's PC using my bluetooth keyboard.

I mean for people in your house. Because thats what the user system will be for.

example.
Say mother, father, son, and daughter...all had bluetooth phones, and all had thier phones setup in the ps3 for their own users. What happens if they all walk in the living room together at the same time where the ps3 is located? I'm not talking about neighbors on your ps3, just people in the house.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Personally I find the whole idea preposterous. Burning energy just so that when you walk into a room it plays a piece of music, instead of having to wait in unsuferable delay and go through all the effort of pressing a play button, is the empitome of wastefulness. I've seen reports of these wonderful customized houses, all guzzling energy to keep it just warm enough, or just cool enough, or just enough light. They won't work for multiple people. And anyone used to that way of living is never going to be able to cope outside of their mini little biosphere. What about when you have to go outside to pop down the shops, and it's 5 degrees warmer? Take your car one block with the aircon on? Or have everything delivered? Honestly, I despair at the nonsense ideas companies have to sell people yet more stuff. Image recognition to select a user? Because going through a list of 4 or 5 users is really that difficult and tiring??

Um, I'm gonna stop now before I really start ranting!

 

[mckmas8808]

Personally I find the whole idea preposterous. Burning energy just so that when you walk into a room it plays a piece of music, instead of having to wait in unsuferable delay and go through all the effort of pressing a play button, is the empitome of wastefulness. I've seen reports of these wonderful customized houses, all guzzling energy to keep it just warm enough, or just cool enough, or just enough light. They won't work for multiple people. And anyone used to that way of living is never going to be able to cope outside of their mini little biosphere. What about when you have to go outside to pop down the shops, and it's 5 degrees warmer? Take your car one block with the aircon on? Or have everything delivered? Honestly, I despair at the nonsense ideas companies have to sell people yet more stuff. Image recognition to select a user? Because going through a list of 4 or 5 users is really that difficult and tiring??

Um, I'm gonna stop now before I really start ranting!

Yeah Shifty we all now that you hate these super houses ideas. I read one of your rants last year about this and it sound like you were pissed.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Sorry to bring this back from the dead but I had a question that I didnt think would warrant a new thread. Anyways...

There were rumors from PSM a while back about DVR functionality in the ps3 interface/OS somehow. I was kinda wondering how this would work.

Since the ps3 has no input cables for video/audio IN, I could only think of one thing that could enable DVR functionality (atleast limited features of a DVR). Theres hints/rumors going around of the ps3 being able to record videos of your gameplay in realtime for whatever reasons you may want to do so. The only way I see DVR recording of TV would be this same application applied to the capibilities of the Locationfree player. (which for the psp, is streaming the tv to your psp screen) So basically, you stream the TV to your ps3 via lan/internet, and the ps3 can record whatever is being displayed to the hard drive.

So maybe to record your favorite tv show such as a DVR/Tivo would do; you have the LocationFree player tuned to the channel your show/movie is on, streamed to the ps3 24/7(you wouldnt have to have the tv on when recording), and set a schedule or time in the PS3 interface/OS to start recording at whatever specific time. (those familiar with Archos, its the same concept/execution on their PVR[tv is always being input to the PVR, archos has set time for when to record])

Sorry about the mini-rant, but does anyone have any ideas about this? Or if it's even possible. If possible, it would be pretty expensive for the LocationFree Player($280) + PS3($500/600) combo; but would be a sweet feature for those already with LocationFree players.

 

[SugarCoat]

Pretty sure DVR is one of many scrapped ideas/capabilities. That one was pretty old, from around 04. Sony hasnt said a peep at the past two E3s about any DVR functionality so i'm sure its non-existent.

 

[Bad_Boy]

What I'm trying to say is that it shouldnt be that difficult to do if the ps3 already has video recording features (ala fraps). It could be done all by software.

That one was pretty old, from around 04.

Actually, the PSM mag im referring to was the Feb06 issue. It's a rumor of course, so take that as what you want.

It was also hinted on in a recent interview (may 26, 2006) from Famitsu. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710286p1.html

Famitsu also scored commentary from Izumi Kawanishi, SCE's Software Platform Manager. One of Kawanishi's biggest revelations was that various generic devices can be connected to the PS3, and he noted that this will allow players to customize their machines to their own liking. Asked if the customization includes a television tuner, which would give the PS3 digital video recorder capabilities, he replied that this should be possible. He didn't go into specifics, so we'll advise against taking this to mean that you'll be able to record your favorite shows as soon as you pick up your PS3.

 

[one]

If the Linux on PS3 is not locked to death any third party can release a USB tuner, then you can control it via Linux PVR applications such as MythTV. If Sony can release an add-on it'll be easier to use though.

 

[ManuVlad3.0]

Any news about the Location Free funcionality?

 

[Bad_Boy]

Aimed at everybody interested in the eyetoy reading the user and the enviroment earlier in the thread...

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps3secrethardwarerevealed.shtml

In conclusion, we have a very reliable source that claims Sony will have a PS3 peripheral which will recognize a user and his entire environment as well as his movements and will incorporate them into useful, in-console actions.

be sure to read the rest of the article for more details.

interesting is about all i can say for now. who knows what sony has cooking for the eyetoy, and if this rumor is even true.

*thx to makeitlookreal over at psinext

Any news about the Location Free funcionality?

havent heard anything, but like i said earlier. If the psp can do it, I dont see any reason why the ps3 cannot.

 

[_xxx_]

interesting is about all i can say for now. who knows what sony has cooking for the eyetoy, and if this rumor is even true.

I can't see the article thanks to our f***ing proxy, does it maybe mention some sort of facial recognition? That'd be nice.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Prime Sense’s concept is a device, which allows a computer to perceive the world in 3D and derive an understanding of the world based on sight, just the way humans do.

The bolded bit is PR nonsense for 'we have a system that can see in 3D which is a bit like people' because it's impossible to view the world the way humans do. Our vision is based on massive databases of objects that take in visual cues and matches them up with past experience of objects to generate a full 3D understanding. Unless their system has a 3d model of most objects it might encounter and be able to search them all in a few ms, it doesn't work like a person!

As for what they're talking about, I'm not quite sure what they mean...
The device includes a sensor, which sees a user (including their complete surroundings), and a digital component, or "brain" which learns and understands user movement within those surroundings.
It sounds like guesture recognition/motion detection perhaps with occlusion considerations, so if the motion of an arm goes behind a screen and the game is following the hand, the computer can still know where the hand is without being able to see it.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I can't see the article thanks to our f***ing proxy, does it maybe mention some sort of facial recognition? That'd be nice.

No. The chief claims are in my quotes. They don't go into any details of what exactly it can achieve or where it's applicable. Just says they can detect user movement within surroundings.

 

[one]

Now it sounds like 4D Kutaragi was talking about