PS3 Launch Outsells Xbox 360 Launch?*
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The problem is that even before worrying about the 360 numbers - which, coming from Sony, would obviously be wrong - the PS2 numbers are also wrong. I'm sorry but PS2 sold 1M units WAY before PS3 ever did. Unless i can't read properly anymore. It's like Sony is downplaying the PS2 success to try and make PS3 figures look better, and that's just desperation in my opinion.
Where're the US figures?
yes I agree... However when PS2 launched didn't they sell like 600k in North America and then left the region dry for a few months? Regarding the PS3 I'm just surprised to see it available in stores and not getting snatched up as quickly as they come in. I do think sticker shock is setting in...
Shipped
Scooby is correct MS shipped is to retail shelves....Sony shipped is from factory floor on way to warehouse for distribution later to retailer. Read page 4 of the linked PDF.
Only a few weeks lag time between the two.
either way they probably (according to estimates) SOLD into consumers hands 750,000 total NA by Dec 31st as noted above by some. (200k in Nov, 550k in dec)
scooby_dooby
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So, it's sold, not shipped. Ok? Or am I confused again
Well you read it correctly, but your mistake was taking gamespot's paraphrase instead of looking at the source of the story, sony's actual statements were shipped. So, it's gamespot's mistake really.
scooby_dooby
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It's hilarious how MS ships 1.5 and everyone declares it the worst launch in history, MS's huge mistake, 360 selling worse than XBOX1 and all the other nonsense.
Sony puts up virtually identical numbers, and all of a sudden it's fastest selling console ever!! Proof that BR was the right choice and evidence the $600 pricepoint is not too high!
Sony puts up virtually identical numbers, and all of a sudden it's fastest selling console ever!! Proof that BR was the right choice and evidence the $600 pricepoint is not too high!
it is a little hypocritical indeed.
It's all in good fun (to me at least
) but last year was ridiculous with the amount of crap the 360 took for their launch and here we are congratulating Sony for similar (or worse -thread title appears incorrect) results.Just goes to show, it's not that easy to pull off with all the new technology and Sony has not even had to deal with Europe yet.
Count me out
I bitched (and am still bitching) about other problems. I think there are many who didn't chime in too. Not everyone is interested in shipping numbers... except for this time, since so many are saying Sony can't produce enough PS3 due to Blu-ray, I take more interest in it.
"That makes the Playstation 3 the fastest selling home console Sony has ever launched."
The last ones were the extremely supply-limited PS2, and the young-PS1. So once they are able to produce sufficient Blu-ray diodes, they can easily beat the above. The good news here is that Sony has managed to seed the Blu-ray market with a sizable install-base to boot.
As for comparing to Xbox 360, shipping (1 mil PS3) vs shipping (900K 360), PS3 does better in US due to more focused launch -- instead of worldwide. Sold-through (??? PS3) vs sold-through (About 600K 360), we are still waiting for NPD or vgcharts. Nothing conclusive. It's just 1 data point even if we have the numbers.
The relative future is also unknown. We need some more games and time for PS3 to be able to tell.
What I hate about all this is the bad blood accumulated over the months. The fake/unfair articles aimed at both consoles have created a Middle-East like situations (Apologies to fellow visitors who live there). The irresponsible, self-serving (part of the) media is the only one who gain. If I can, I would like to find a way to get back at them.
EDIT: BTW, is it only me who think that all these surge in fake/unfair articles are there to replace the high traffic generated by E3. Without E3, the gaming media need to find another focus and ways to generate more traffic and revenue. Ok... I better stop posting, my blood pressure is on the rise.
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scooby_dooby
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Remind me again what Sony's initial target's were for CY 2006? 4 million? Sure seems as though they couldn't produce enough BR diodes...
I believe you are right.
I also think that to reach that 4 mil estimate, they mentioned about 1 - 1.2 mil per month production rate (2 months for stock piling and then Nov + Dec each contributing 1 mil). *If* they hit that production rate today, they should be fine (as in producing enough to start)... but the cycle has been time-shifted due to late start.
Of course, Sony would want to make more for other standalone players soon.
SOme site had an article about the deflation of the PS3 on ebay. Basically it took about 2 days before the thing tanked and then fluttered its way to barely above retail. This is a big difference from the PS2 launch which saw strong ebay and shortages for months.
But I have to admit, I dont remember how many PS2s sony shipped.
scooby_dooby
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Well they're not exactly 'fine' as they've missed the holiday season. It's all well and good to pump our 4million units in the next 3 months, but they will not sell at the same rate as they would have in Nov and Dec. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it's annoying to see these events painted as a positive.
As for standalone's, I read an article today that said a mere 25,000 BR standalones have been sold, so it seems that's an extremely marginal factor at this point in time.
Hmm... if they missed the holiday seasons, they suffer the consequences despite of what people say. I don't understand the need to paint it as positive or negative. But the point is Sony seem to have ramped up their production to close to their initial targets (amidst all the noise).
It's important because those "few" players probably sell at a high price, which means better margin for Sony and other Blu-ray manufacturers in the long push for a standard format (If there's going to be one). Over time, these standalones may be cheaper to make too.
If these are the hard core HD fans, they may also buy more BR discs than most people.
scooby_dooby
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They have? That's news to me.
Hardcore HD fans also bought the 120,000 standalone HD-DVD drives, and the 150,000 HD-DVD add-on drives for 360, so I'm not sure what your point is. Either way, it's not a signifigant factor in PS3 launch quantities. (though the 300,000 diodes used for the HD-DVD drives is a signifigant number)
It was:
Originally: 2 million at launch, 4 million by end of CY 2006, 6 million by march 2007
Then: 500K at launch, 2 million by end of CY 2006 ("we always talked about shipping 2 million by the end of the year"), 6 million by march 2007.
Now: <500K at launch, >1 million by end of CY 2006, 6 million by March 2007.
Is it just me that thinks the 6 million number is starting to look a little strained?
I think it was Ken or Hirai who mentioned a production rate of 1 - 1.2 mil a month. The shipping number is derived from this production rate. I think a new plant is supposed to kick in this year (already operational ?) perhaps for Europe consumption.
Hmm... the original point was that, even with good PS3 production, Sony would want to make even more diodes to sell to standalone players:
"Of course, Sony would want to make more for other standalone players soon."
These diodes can also go to the HD-DVD players, especially BR standalone buyers who will likely consume more BR discs than PS3 owners. They are all important to various groups in Sony.
