PS3 HDD REQUIRED to Play Games but is NOT Standard?

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Shifty Geezer said:
Except for potentially much greater earnings in sales of content. If you want to sell people content, but leave the storage optional, they're not likely to buy it. But if storage comes as standard, they'll give it a look out of curiosity.
Oh I realize that, which is why I stated that I think that's ROG's best argument so far, but as I said it's yet another gamble....

Do the math, if they include the HDD at cost, that's $40 / console they're losing on memory cards. If they sell 12million consoles in the first year, that 500 million dollars they just lost...

How long is it going to take to sell 500million dollars worth of content? Why should they even take such a risk?

Much less risky to create the content, that will drive the HDD sales, not force HDD's on 100% of the userbase in hopes they will eventually buy some content. If they can offer a kick-ass VOD service, with downloadable movies, trailers, music video's etc, they will have no problem moving HDD units to the people interested in such content, AND they can sell the HDD as a profit(instead of at cost), as it won't be built into the base unit costs.

Also, MS is in a different position entirely because their base console can easily meet the $299 pricepoint, which allowed them to bundle the HDD, and offer it for signifigantly higher price of $100, still being within the threshold of affordability at $399. Sony's wil be struggling to get their base unit to $400 USD, including a HDD would force them to raise the cost even more, and they would probably have to do so at cost since $450 would be pushing it, they don't have the luxury of making some profit on the HDD like MS did with their premium package.

Basically I only see 2 scenarios going down, $399 no HD, or $499 w/ HDD because I don't think tehy're prepared to give up teh profit made from memory cards. I think the $399 with no HD option will be much more appealing to mainstream consumers, and that's what Sony will go with.
 
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Im still not convinced Sony will even sell HDDs themselfes. They dont manufacture them, theres not much to be gained if they have to buy them, repackage them and care for having them stocked everywhere (aslong they dont sell them for horrid prices like MS, but that would again counter a broad adoption by the public).

They will name a few 'officially endorsed' 2,5`HDDs and thats it - its your own choice to get one of the listed HDDs and be sure you can plug&play or gamble with other HDDs.
Im sure seagate, samsung, etc would like having a few million potential consumers, and Sony has 1 Problem less.
 
Moonblade said:

The fact is that KK said few days ago that they don't know yet, and now some no name representative says it will have, that is weak confirmation and I personally want more convincing proof than that. However I'm starting to "believe" that PS3 will have HDD standard.
 
Moonblade said:

I would believe it if I knew who the representative was. Just a couple of days ago KK said that they have not decided yet and now al of the sudden it is confirmed? Furthermore, in one of these links they say that KK had announced that the games where developed to take advantage of the HDD. As far as I understood, KK didn't announce anything of the sort, rather asked developers to develop games as though the HDD would be there, which is quite different...
 
Platon said:
I would believe it if I knew who the representative was. Just a couple of days ago KK said that they have not decided yet and now al of the sudden it is confirmed? Furthermore, in one of these links they say that KK had announced that the games where developed to take advantage of the HDD. As far as I understood, KK didn't announce anything of the sort, rather asked developers to develop games as though the HDD would be there, which is quite different...
KK said they have not decided yet?
I don't know where you read that but it seemed clear to me a 60 GB HDD will be standard. You can interpretate English translations as much as you want but this confirmation is pretty unambiguous. Ofcourse, you can always distrust the source because the representative's name wasn't mentioned in the newspost but I'll take his words (unless it's spong or the inquirer).
 
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Moonblade said:
KK said they have not decided yet?
I don't know where you read that but it seemed clear to me a 60 GB HDD will be standard.

This is the article I was talking about.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145972.html

"Kutaragi also made it clear that the hard drive will be necessary to play games--Sony is telling developers to make games assuming every PS3 has a hard drive installed. "We view the hard drive to be mandatory for the PS3," he said. "Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."

However, Kutaragi revealed that Sony had not decided whether or not the PlayStation 3 would come with the hard-drive preinstalled. "We might end up installing it in all PS3s, though that depends on the market," he said. This raises the possibility that the PS3 could be sold without a piece of hardware needed to play PS3 games--in effect forcing consumers to buy a peripheral for basic functionality."
 
seismologist said:
The numbers you cite are pulled out of the air. It all depends on the pricing model.
Imagine if Apple sold $100 ipod's with the HDD purchase separately. Even though it's required, I Know I would be alot more likely to own an ipod by now.

Sure, the numbers I cited are what have been floating around, so sure it could be whatever in reality. As for the ipod, if the "ipod"+HDD would cost as much as to real ipod costs now, no I don't think it would have sold anymore. The amount of money consumers would have to pay for a functional product would be the same and hence the same strain in their wallets...
 
Moonblade said:
KK said they have not decided yet?
I don't know where you read that but it seemed clear to me a 60 GB HDD will be standard. You can interpretate English translations as much as you want but this confirmation is pretty unambiguous. Ofcourse, you can always distrust the source because the representative's name wasn't mentioned in the newspost but I'll take his words (unless it's spong or the inquirer).

There are many links around where KK is supposedly saying that they have not decided yet, one of which is provided by DrEvil. But sure they could be wrong...
 
Platon said:
There are many links around where KK is supposedly saying that they have not decided yet, one of which is provided by DrEvil. But sure they could be wrong...

You're right, I found it now. Both IGN and gamespot updated their articles.
 
nintenho said:
Our Sony representative has confirmed this morning that PlayStation 3 will come with a 60GB HDD as standard, but that can be upgraded if preferred.

There, lock this beast now please (unless people were arguing over other issues as well).

The text from that link is not new on this thread...
That is not sufficient confirmation.
 
Tap In said:
that's standard operating procedure for me. ;)
Maybe, but you will never temperatmental frankness of a yawning thundercunt of tackiness who vividly flirts baseless comments against ignorance.....











...............yeah, huh?
 
inefficient said:
Surely this will silence the nay-sayers. Or will it...

Surely that link was already posted on last page. I'm personally waiting for more official confirmation, but I'll give up on this thread I don't see anybody else posting those same two links as new and then proclaiming that it's CONFIRMED!!11!1
 
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