PS3 HDD REQUIRED to Play Games but is NOT Standard?

[rounin]

do you even READ the words that this PR manager spoke? He says explicitly "we are NOT confirming it, but KK confirmed it a few days ago"

Well, actually no KK did not confirm it a few days ago, all this shows is there is some horrible miscommunication within Sony itself.

No actually, I guess I missed the part where they said these were one and the same person. Will you kindly point it out for me and other people who failed to see that?

 

[AlNom]

Let's hope that the stores don't run out of HDD's. If they do that means no PS3 gameplay for me.

Sorry for OT, but this reminds me of the time I went to BestBuy and they had no X360 HDDs, but they did have systems. Meanwhile, Superstore had HDDs, but no systems.

 

[ROG27]

do you even READ the words that this PR manager spoke? He says explicitly "we are NOT confirming it, but KK confirmed it a few days ago"

Well, actually no KK did not confirm it a few days ago, all this shows is there is some horrible miscommunication within Sony itself.

Well, no, that's what the Next-gen article's unnamed source said. Gamasutra had the named source (PR Manager Jonathan Fargher)...and he confirmed that there was a HDD included end of story...not based on the business briefing by KK.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8579

Excerpt:

The news was reported today by various news sites, and has been confirmed to Gamasutra by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe PR Manager Jonathan Fargher. The 60GB hard drive will be the default size, with other larger sizes available as separate peripherals. This follows Kutaragi's already acknowledged comments that all games will require a hard drive in order to run.

Note: larger sizes will be sold separately as peripherals (something 'extra'). Also note, a HDD will have to be present in order for the console to run games.

Plus this is Gamesutra. They don't sensationalize, and I can't ever remember a time when they have ever misreported something.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Common sense tells us that it will be bundled a la PSP value pack. But then again you never know, Sony could go stupid on us and not bundle it and request everyone to buy one on day one just to play the games made for it.

Let's hope that the stores don't run out of HDD's. If they do that means no PS3 gameplay for me.

No. Common sense tells us that Sony will not require an expensive peripheral simply to enable base gameplay, and that the "HDD Required" statement referred to the items on that very same slide below the text: enhanced gameplay and online support.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Well, no, that's what the Next-gen article's unnamed source said. Gamasutra had the named source (PR Manager Jonathan Fargher)...and he confirmed that there was a HDD included end of story...not based on the business briefing by KK.

Well since they're both identified as SCEE sources, on the same day, either they're talkign about the same person, or the guys at SCEE seriously have their wires crossed.

 

[rounin]

Well since they're both identified as SCEE sources, on the same day, either they're talkign about the same person, or the guys at SCEE seriously have their wires crossed.

Could it also be that you jumped to a conclusion?

Anyway, for those who make huge jumps of unfounded logic like that, forming the conclusion that every PS3 will come with a harddrive from the sources mentioned in this thread should be a baby step in reasoning.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Could it also be that you jumped to a conclusion?

Anyway, for those who make huge jumps of unfounded logic like that, forming the conclusion that every PS3 will come with a harddrive from the sources mentioned in this thread should be a baby step in reasoning.

No it was my mistake, I thought both reports had specifically mentioned the same guy.

Still, it should be obvious to you guys that this is hardly 'confirmation', especially with a direct quote from the exact same company SCEE that says explicitly "we're not confirming it."

It's very obvious that you guys are wanting to believe just about anything you read right now, and anything that contradicts that gets ignored, like the nextgen article.

Anyways, I'll revisit this thread in the fall, when PS3 launches without a HDD, and laugh...

 

[ROG27]

Could it also be that you jumped to a conclusion?

Anyway, for those who make huge jumps of unfounded logic like that, forming the conclusion that every PS3 will come with a harddrive from the sources mentioned in this thread should be a baby step in reasoning.

It's seeming likely that you will need a HDD to actually enable gameplay. This makes me think an initial one SKU "Value Pack" is happening. This will set the precedent that you need a HDD to make things work. Later, after this precedent has been set...as a cost saving measure and to provide customers with more options, the SKU will likely be revised to not have a HDD and the customer will choose which drive is right for them.

With their business model (heavy on the online distribution of content) this seems the only way to kill two birds with one stone...one being that a HDD is required and must be on every machine in order for it to function and the other being that Sony can sell a revised SKU less harddrive later in the product lifecycle to ensure there are no cost floors and increase peripheral profits. I think the Value Pack will actually subsidize a new peripheral market for Sony...that of swappable HDDs. That would be the smartest thing for them to do.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

No it was my mistake, I thought both reports had specifically mentioned the same guy.

They still could be. The next-gen article didn't name the representative. The Gamasutra article didn't give a quote.

Hopefully Wednesday will end this debate once and for all.

 

[mckmas8808]

No. Common sense tells us that Sony will not require an expensive peripheral simply to enable base gameplay, and that the "HDD Required" statement referred to the items on that very same slide below the text: enhanced gameplay and online support.

So what does this mean?

But as a platform, I'd like to repeat, it's all right that you think it has HDD. In an environment always connected to the network it's unthinkable that it doesn't have HDD, so I assume you can feel secure to develop software.

If he's telling the devs to develop games for the HDD, how will we play them it one is not made available?

 

[scooby_dooby]

He's not telling Dev's anything, he's requesting. And that's a huge difference.

Anyways, ken's comments are admittedly confusing. How can they make the HDD required but be unsure whether it will be bundled or not? Isn't that putting the cart completely before the horse? Why did the "HDD Required" slide only show things like "enchanced gameplay" and "online support"? Why did he use words like "as though it has HDD" and "HDD is the premise" when he could've simply stated it was a standard piece of HW?

 

[dukmahsik]

im going to bet they include the hdd standard. just the price is my worry

 

[onanie]

He's not telling Dev's anything, he's requesting. And that's a huge difference.

Anyways, ken's comments are admittedly confusing. How can they make the HDD required but be unsure whether it will be bundled or not? Isn't that putting the cart completely before the horse? Why did the "HDD Required" slide only show things like "enchanced gameplay" and "online support"? Why did he use words like "as though it has HDD" and "HDD is the premise" when he could've simply stated it was a standard piece of HW?

"HDD is required + !" is confusing to you? The items listed are reasons why a HDD is required. I don't believe that an enhanced gameplay is optional.

Whether or not it is bundled does not change things either. Developers have been told to develop "as though it has HDD" (telling or requesting, whatever you like). I don't think they'll just go about doing it as though it doesn't have a HDD (think counter-intuitive). Customers will buy one if it is required for the majority of PS3 function, in a similar model to the memory card.

 

[superguy]

I find it HILARIOUS how the Sony boy at Sony-age are now talking about how useless the HDD is because they're scared Sony will include it. Because they know it will kill the PS3.

When they were pitching hissy fits when MS DIDNT include it.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Customers will buy one if it is required for the majority of PS3 function, in a similar model to the memory card.

The majority of 'PS3 function' is playing games, HDD won't be required for that.

 

[Diamond.G]

Will Sony let any kind of hdd be used? If so how will they protect the content on the hdd?

I still wonder about the "required for games" part. So if I take out my hdd cause it died on me I can't play any of my games till I put another one in (maybe even Sony approved/branded at that)? That is a far cry from memory card/hdd required for game save.

I wish Sony would just come clean on the whole thing so we can stop the speculation.

 

[SpadeDevil]

HDD standard.

It seems they just did:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146269.html

Lata

Spade

 

[Diamond.G]

Sounds like a rehash of info already posted on almost every news/tech/game site in existence....

 

[dukmahsik]

great we just need to know how much it costs now

 

[Platon]

It's seeming likely that you will need a HDD to actually enable gameplay. This makes me think an initial one SKU "Value Pack" is happening. This will set the precedent that you need a HDD to make things work. Later, after this precedent has been set...as a cost saving measure and to provide customers with more options, the SKU will likely be revised to not have a HDD and the customer will choose which drive is right for them.

With their business model (heavy on the online distribution of content) this seems the only way to kill two birds with one stone...one being that a HDD is required and must be on every machine in order for it to function and the other being that Sony can sell a revised SKU less harddrive later in the product lifecycle to ensure there are no cost floors and increase peripheral profits. I think the Value Pack will actually subsidize a new peripheral market for Sony...that of swappable HDDs. That would be the smartest thing for them to do.

That will not fly I think. Imagine later down the road, when the new SKU without the HD is launched, people buy it, buy some games and go home and play and oooops, it doesn't play, because all the games up to that point need that HDD to work...