PS3 and VGA Support

Oninotsume

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I couldn't find a thread referring to this topic, but my apologies if one already exists.

Does anyone know if the PS3 is going to support VGA output like the XBOX360?

There are only two video output ports on the back of the 60G version, HDMI and the standard playstation AV port that's on the back of all Playstation stuff.

Is it technically possible for the standard PS AV output to support VGA, and if not how do HDMI to VGA converters fair?

I'm interested in knowing because I plan on playing my PS3 through my computer monitor.

Thanks.

Oninotsume
 
The now ancient PS2 supports VGA up to and including 1280*1024 through its standard multi-out, it's veeeery unlikely Sony's going to drop support for that IMO.
 
The now ancient PS2 supports VGA up to and including 1280*1024 through its standard multi-out, it's veeeery unlikely Sony's going to drop support for that IMO.

I think the question was more direct to the VGA support the 360 has, which is, needless to say, a million times better than the PS2's "support" of VGA. Heck, to get true VGA out of the PS2 you actually needed a HACK. A boot-up disc and a cable, not sold by Sony! A hack!

Sure, the GS could support lots of standard VGA resolutions up to 1600x1200 i think, but that doesn't mean you can actually use them like you can easily use VGA on the 360.
 
Okay, maybe I'm a little confused here.

The kind of VGA input I'm talking about is straight from the PS3 into the D-sub on the back of a monitor, like with the XBOX360.

I take it Sony hasn't said jack about that yet, huh?
 
Okay, maybe I'm a little confused here.

The kind of VGA input I'm talking about is straight from the PS3 into the D-sub on the back of a monitor, like with the XBOX360.

I take it Sony hasn't said jack about that yet, huh?

I think Sony did mention that VGA would be fully supported the way it is supported on 360, but i could be wrong. It would be strange if they didn't, as they would lose money out of "VGA cables" sales, which Sony would have to sell separately and would not be compatible with "normal" VGA cables since they would plug into the "multi-AV" port at the back. Which means they can sell them at a higher price...

They'll support it. And if they don't, someone will make it possible ;)
 
I know the Dev Kit's support it, but they have their own output for it.

As long as I know that it CAN be supported I'm good to go:smile:

Thanks.

By the way how does VGA input on a PC monitor compare to HDMI input? Is the difference really striking?
 
I know the Dev Kit's support it, but they have their own output for it.

As long as I know that it CAN be supported I'm good to go:smile:

Thanks.

By the way how does VGA input on a PC monitor compare to HDMI input? Is the difference really striking?

PC monitors usually have DVI, which is always cleaner than VGA. DVI and HDMI are the same (you can buy cables which are HDMI on one end and DVI on the other end). But here the problem becomes the fact that equipment only feeds what we call "video" resolutions through HDMI (typical 720p, 1080i or 1080p all of which are handled with various amounts of overscanning by the receiving TVs - sometimes none) and not "PC" resolutions such as 640x480 up to 1600x1200 and all in between.

So, if the PS3 can output PC resolutions through the HDMI cable, lots of people will be very happy.
 
By the way how does VGA input on a PC monitor compare to HDMI input? Is the difference really striking?
The only possible answer is really that "it depends".

VGA is in of itself a fairly high-frequency analog signal and therefore more susceptible to degradation and interference than digital signals, especially high res video at high refresh rates across long cable lengths. Now, the video resolution and rates used for consoles aren't that fast, and the cables aren't that long. Still, the analog filter components in the signal path might affect sharpness in the final image just as is the case on many PC graphics cards where manufacturers cut some corners to reduce costs, leading to fine details seeing a slight blurring. This is usually only pronounced in higher resolutions and/or refresh rates than those used for 720P HDTV however, so this should not be a problem. Also, the coarser dot pitch of a CRT TV compared to a PC monitor should completely hide any minor blurriness in the signal anyway...

A more serious problem however is if the analog VGA video is being shown on a discrete pixel device (LCD, DLP or plasma screen for example) and the TV's analog to digital converter can't lock on precisely to the pixel clock of the incoming video. As VGA lacks a pixel clock signal lead in the cable (because high-res color LCDs and such being unheard of at the time VGA was invented; CRT monitors don't need this), the ADC is forced to do a "best guess", trying to find the signal peaks so that a video pixel can be mapped precisely to a screen pixel. Sometimes this process can fail, leading to the image "crawling around" or becoming blurred.

If the display device is a discrete pixel device that does 1:1 pixel mapping of the DVI/HDMI input (such as a 720P flatscreen LCD or plasma TV being fed a 720P signal), then that will be the "purest" image you can get. Of course, all LCDs or plasma screens aren't born equal; some will have better brightness, contrast, color reproduction than others. ;) So again, it depends.

If the TV rescales the image, then the result might not be as ideal, it depends on the scaler chip used and how the image is scaled. For example, if the screen isn't natively 720P but rather say, 768 lines vertically, and maybe even 1330-whatever pixels across instead of 1280 as is the standard. Some TVs may be native 720P devices but actually UPscale the image slightly so that the edges of the video signal literally extends off the screen and won't be displayed... This is of course not good at all.


So in the end, we get down to this: All things being equal, VGA and HDMI (DVI) should produce a comparable result. But, it depends. :D I would personally choose HDMI over VGA if I had a flatscreen monitor, if it's a CRT it probably doesn't matter all that much. Pick whichever gives you the best result.
 
Sony sold a VGA cable that ran straight from the multi-out, it was included with the PS2 Linux kit.

Okay, maybe I'm a little confused here.

The kind of VGA input I'm talking about is straight from the PS3 into the D-sub on the back of a monitor, like with the XBOX360.

I take it Sony hasn't said jack about that yet, huh?
 
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